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Post by Graham on Oct 26, 2016 14:03:42 GMT
So expert why don't you get proactive and write in simple language basic threads just for lay people. No sit and wait until people have problem I wasn't being technically correct to the Nth degree. So I know how you feel. In the end, I decided it wasn't worth the hassle and just quite posting about electrical stuff. Just my two pence worth... two points the post I did was accurate enough for the task it was assigned and the purpose that it was written for. It was headlined as not being highly technically accurate. I revisited the words and I would not change them. Oh writing for another purpose I would have written something different. Actually in pure technical terms it was wrong three times, in terms of getting over the principle it was correct in all places. The result I got hauled over the coals in this place in no uncertain terms. Interestingly they could only see the one pure technical error. No I will not write any more. I will answer people's problem posts I am just challenging the 'experts' to write replacement articles down at that level of language and fill the coffers of TB. Because that was my intention a series of probably 9 or 10 articles. They destroyed me so fill the vacuum.
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Post by Graham on Oct 26, 2016 14:04:37 GMT
Oh for goodness sake Graham, please, please give it a rest. Anybody with real expertise is welcome to contribute here surely? Why denigrate their efforts before they've even started. Also, I've never known one of these experts have to ask that their posts be removed........Hhmmm, wonder why that is? Roger Go back and read my posts on the subject
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Post by tonyb on Oct 26, 2016 14:12:36 GMT
So you are perfecter happy to try to task professionals to spend a very considerable time in compiling threads that you can not be bothered to specify and then seem to object when it is suggested that you not only do a bit of work so the task is possible and also to pay for the time required. You are the one asking for these unspecified technical threads not other questioners. They seem perfectly happy with the work others do put into trying to help them. The time required to do as you ask is many weeks and possibly months or years. You are in essence asking people to write a text book for you - guess what, there are plenty available if you will only pay but of course you do not want that. You think everyone should give up their time to meet your requests without payment. I feel sorry for you. Thank you for feeling sorry for me. As a professional all my working life and even now I have always given of my time freely to organisation like TB. To me that has been a contribution to society a return and a way of helping others. I am sure that you can think of several basic things on which you could write a couple of pages that would help start the sites coffers off with. You are I believe basically an engine person, could be wrong, maybe the do and don'ts of winterising a boat engine and running train, might go for the whole boat. Suspect you would have to lay down an example boat. But winter is coming so the ideal time yes? Lets look at winterising a boat. First question - type of cooling system? Without that you will need to write at least three different scenarios. In my view better to wait for a questioner and then, if needed get the answer you need to answer their specific question rather than to potentially confuse everyone with advice for all the different types of component and system that just might be applicable. Next question - how far do you need to go? Just the engine, the domestic systems as well and so on. You seem not to like it when asked if you will put your money where your mouth is. It also seems that you are perfectly happy to throw your toys out of the pram and have a topic deleted when you get criticised. I am happy to accept that the criticism that I did not see may have been a bit over the top and that if there was a significant mistake in your piece it was simply an error. I also understand that you might not fully grasp the complexity of what you ask where as I do and remember I can be potentially held to account as an "expert" where as you may well not be on boating topics. I am not happy when you impugn my motives in asking you if you are willing to pay for work you ask to be done. Just for the record a week ago last Friday I diverted from a journey to find and help a fellow boater with an electrical fault. Diagnosed another potential fault. Completed my journey and on Saturday delivered a full day course to fellow boaters. All without charge or payment. I have also been asked to talk at two further clubs over the coming year. One will be at no charge and one at the cost of fuel only so nothing monetary in it for me. I do not ask for any recognition for any of this or the advice I freely give on forums etc. but I do resent the implications in your replies and your refusal to knowledge the magnitude of the tasks you try to set for others. I have tried not to resort to he level of some of the other replies but am very sorely tempted.
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Post by Albion on Oct 26, 2016 14:27:08 GMT
Thank you for feeling sorry for me. As a professional all my working life and even now I have always given of my time freely to organisation like TB. To me that has been a contribution to society a return and a way of helping others. I am sure that you can think of several basic things on which you could write a couple of pages that would help start the sites coffers off with. You are I believe basically an engine person, could be wrong, maybe the do and don'ts of winterising a boat engine and running train, might go for the whole boat. Suspect you would have to lay down an example boat. But winter is coming so the ideal time yes? Lets look at winterising a boat. First question - type of cooling system? Without that you will need to write at least three different scenarios. In my view better to wait for a questioner and then, if needed get the answer you need to answer their specific question rather than to potentially confuse everyone with advice for all the different types of component and system that just might be applicable. Next question - how far do you need to go? Just the engine, the domestic systems as well and so on. You seem not to like it when asked if you will put your money where your mouth is. It also seems that you are perfectly happy to throw your toys out of the pram and have a topic deleted when you get criticised. I am happy to accept that the criticism that I did not see may have been a bit over the top and that if there was a significant mistake in your piece it was simply an error. I also understand that you might not fully grasp the complexity of what you ask where as I do and remember I can be potentially held to account as an "expert" where as you may well not be on boating topics. I am not happy when you impugn my motives in asking you if you are willing to pay for work you ask to be done. Just for the record a week ago last Friday I diverted from a journey to find and help a fellow boater with an electrical fault. Diagnosed another potential fault. Completed my journey and on Saturday delivered a full day course to fellow boaters. All without charge or payment. I have also been asked to talk at two further clubs over the coming year. One will be at no charge and one at the cost of fuel only so nothing monetary in it for me. I do not ask for any recognition for any of this or the advice I freely give on forums etc. but I do resent the implications in your replies and your refusal to knowledge the magnitude of the tasks you try to set for others. I have tried not to resort to he level of some of the other replies but am very sorely tempted. Well said Tony. In the words of the other place........have a greenie. Roger
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Post by patty on Oct 26, 2016 14:53:59 GMT
OK....would people stop referring to "girls blouse" and hang on wot was the other negative comment..ah yes "churlish girl"..... Us females object most strongly to our gender type being used to insult blokes attitudes.... You........(cannot think of a blokey insult but am sure there is one somewhere).....
Information tis best shared nicely..If I knew anything on anything Id let you all know but sadly my areas of expertise(knotweed treatment, D-I-Y of Horror House) aint much use on canal boats..
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Post by Graham on Oct 26, 2016 14:58:01 GMT
So three short ones on each type, then the question is answered without a lot of back an forth.
Your brain is already working give it a go. The basic principles make it plain it is the basicsNext question - how far do you need to go? Just the engine, the domestic systems as well and so on. I would suggest just the engine but you could do the domestic as wellYou seem not to like it when asked if you will put your money where your mouth is. It also seems that you are perfectly happy to throw your toys out of the pram and have a topic deleted when you get criticised. I am sorry Tony I suggest you read why I took the threads off I have posted earlier. And the threads were correct for the purpose that they were written, just certain people cannot see that sometimes to get a point across pure technical correctness does not work if speaking with a lay person.Just for the record a week ago last Friday I diverted from a journey to find and help a fellow boater with an electrical fault. Diagnosed another potential fault. Completed my journey and on Saturday delivered a full day course to fellow boaters. All without charge or payment. I have also been asked to talk at two further clubs over the coming year. One will be at no charge and one at the cost of fuel only so nothing monetary in it for me. I do not ask for any recognition for any of this or the advice I freely give on forums etc. but I do resent the implications in your replies and your refusal to knowledge the magnitude of the tasks you try to set for others. Tony good on you, sometime ago I drove to boat where the forum experts (CW), oh and here now, had been trying to tell a boater what the fault was, would not allow any other input or countenance anything else. They were wrong left right and centre, I drove over 400 miles to help that guy and certain people have never forgiven me. I would do it again tomorrow. Oh the reward several cups of very welcome tea, all I needed. I have done similar in the past and will probably in the future.I have tried not to resort to he level of some of the other replies but am very sorely tempted. If you wish to resort to the levels of other feel welcome they will not hurt me.
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Post by Gibbo on Oct 26, 2016 14:58:37 GMT
You........(cannot think of a blokey insult but am sure there is one somewhere)..... Try "Cock"
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Post by PaulG2 on Oct 26, 2016 15:00:05 GMT
Actually tonyb to me that is a bit of self aggrandisement. I seem to remember when I retired my hourly rate for my technical skills was in three figures and that was a few years ago. I would never dream of even suggesting that a site or any boater asking advice should pay me. You have retired so maybe put something back in by giving a new site some simple language basic technical threads. So you are perfecter happy to try to task professionals to spend a very considerable time in compiling threads that you can not be bothered to specify and then seem to object when it is suggested that you not only do a bit of work so the task is possible and also to pay for the time required. You are the one asking for these unspecified technical threads not other questioners. They seem perfectly happy with the work others do put into trying to help them. The time required to do as you ask is many weeks and possibly months or years. You are in essence asking people to write a text book for you - guess what, there are plenty available if you will only pay but of course you do not want that. You think everyone should give up their time to meet your requests without payment. I feel sorry for you. Hi Tony. I think I already said welcome to the forum, but, just in case, I'll say it again, Welcome to the forum. It's really a pleasure to see you here, and your good repute will surely add to the repute of Thunderboat, especially considering us scoundrels that normally frequent this place. You may have arrived at this party a little late. What we have going on here is a Graham having a tantrum. (In all fairness to Graham, he has just had to sell his beloved canal boat because of his age and that probably has him in a bit of a funk.) Anyhoo, Graham started a battery thread and went to some effort to write some pretty good stuff about batteries in simple language he thought would be easy for lay people to understand. Nick came along and corrected, apparently in more technical language and detail, some of the things that Graham had written and Graham took umbrage at what Nick said. Ultimately Graham convinced Delta9 to delete those threads, which in itself caused a kerfuffle because D9 had never done that before and many felt it was a violation of the site ethos. (D9 has since said that that was a one off occurrence and that it would not happen again.) So the thread (along with a couple others from Graham) was deleted, along with all the work both Graham and Nick put into it. Graham seems to feel that he has been wronged, and he doesn't seem to want to let this go. I wish he would just get over his hurt feelings, ask D9 to reinstate those threads, and then realize that education is very often a collaborative effort, and that corrections, edits and addenda don't diminish his original effort, and they certainly don't diminish his original intent, which was to be helpful. I wish Graham would realize he is among friends, and that his time spent here should be good times, not times for consternation and bad feelings.
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Post by Graham on Oct 26, 2016 15:02:40 GMT
OK....would people stop referring to "girls blouse" and hang on wot was the other negative comment..ah yes "churlish girl"..... Us females object most strongly to our gender type being used to insult blokes attitudes.... You........(cannot think of a blokey insult but am sure there is one somewhere)..... Information tis best shared nicely..If I knew anything on anything Id let you all know but sadly my areas of expertise(knotweed treatment, D-I-Y of Horror House) aint much use on canal boats.. I have never understood why men use that sort of referral about other men. Women on the whole tend to be stronger and more resilient than men and keep the family together, as divorced men tend to find.
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Post by twbm2 on Oct 26, 2016 15:03:23 GMT
OK....would people stop referring to "girls blouse" and hang on wot was the other negative comment..ah yes "churlish girl"..... Us females object most strongly to our gender type being used to insult blokes attitudes.... You........(cannot think of a blokey insult but am sure there is one somewhere)..... Information tis best shared nicely..If I knew anything on anything Id let you all know but sadly my areas of expertise(knotweed treatment, D-I-Y of Horror House) aint much use on canal boats.. I think 'wanker' is the word you seek.
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Post by PaulG2 on Oct 26, 2016 15:05:34 GMT
(cannot think of a blokey insult but am sure there is one somewhere)..... Try "Think with the wrong head", that about covers it all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 15:10:56 GMT
So you are perfecter happy to try to task professionals to spend a very considerable time in compiling threads that you can not be bothered to specify and then seem to object when it is suggested that you not only do a bit of work so the task is possible and also to pay for the time required. You are the one asking for these unspecified technical threads not other questioners. They seem perfectly happy with the work others do put into trying to help them. The time required to do as you ask is many weeks and possibly months or years. You are in essence asking people to write a text book for you - guess what, there are plenty available if you will only pay but of course you do not want that. You think everyone should give up their time to meet your requests without payment. I feel sorry for you. Hi Tony. I think I already said welcome to the forum, but, just in case, I'll say it again, Welcome to the forum. It's really a pleasure to see you here, and your good repute will surely add to the repute of Thunderboat, especially considering us scoundrels that normally frequent this place. You may have arrived at this party a little late. What we have going on here is a Graham having a tantrum. (In all fairness to Graham, he has just had to sell his beloved canal boat because of his age and that probably has him in a bit of a funk.) Anyhoo, Graham started a battery thread and went to some effort to write some pretty good stuff about batteries in simple language he thought would be easy for lay people to understand. Nick came along and corrected, apparently in more technical language and detail, some of the things that Graham had written and Graham took umbrage at what Nick said. Ultimately Graham convinced Delta9 to delete those threads, which in itself caused a kerfuffle because D9 had never done that before and many felt it was a violation of the site ethos. (D9 has since said that that was a one off occurrence and that it would not happen again.) So the thread (along with a couple others from Graham) was deleted, along with all the work both Graham and Nick put into it. Graham seems to feel that he has been wronged, and he doesn't seem to want to let this go. I wish he would just get over his hurt feelings, ask D9 to reinstate those threads, and then realize that education is very often a collaborative effort, and that corrections, edits and addenda don't diminish his original effort, and they certainly don't diminish his original intent, which was to be helpful. I wish Graham would realize he is among friends, and that his time spent here should be good times, not times for consternation and bad feelings. That was really nicely put. I feel guilty now for thinking he's a Dick head.
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Post by Graham on Oct 26, 2016 15:13:52 GMT
So you are perfecter happy to try to task professionals to spend a very considerable time in compiling threads that you can not be bothered to specify and then seem to object when it is suggested that you not only do a bit of work so the task is possible and also to pay for the time required. You are the one asking for these unspecified technical threads not other questioners. They seem perfectly happy with the work others do put into trying to help them. The time required to do as you ask is many weeks and possibly months or years. You are in essence asking people to write a text book for you - guess what, there are plenty available if you will only pay but of course you do not want that. You think everyone should give up their time to meet your requests without payment. I feel sorry for you. Hi Tony. I think I already said welcome to the forum, but, just in case, I'll say it again, Welcome to the forum. It's really a pleasure to see you here, and your good repute will surely add to the repute of Thunderboat, especially considering us scoundrels that normally frequent this place. You may have arrived at this party a little late. What we have going on here is a Graham having a tantrum. (In all fairness to Graham, he has just had to sell his beloved canal boat because of his age and that probably has him in a bit of a funk.) Anyhoo, Graham started a battery thread and went to some effort to write some pretty good stuff about batteries in simple language he thought would be easy for lay people to understand. Nick came along and corrected, apparently in more technical language and detail, some of the things that Graham had written and Graham took umbrage at what Nick said. Ultimately Graham convinced Delta9 to delete those threads, which in itself caused a kerfuffle because D9 had never done that before and many felt it was a violation of the site ethos. (D9 has since said that that was a one off occurrence and that it would not happen again.) So the thread (along with a couple others from Graham) was deleted, along with all the work both Graham and Nick put into it. Graham seems to feel that he has been wronged, and he doesn't seem to want to let this go. I wish he would just get over his hurt feelings, ask D9 to reinstate those threads, and then realize that education is very often a collaborative effort, and that corrections, edits and addenda don't diminish his original effort, and they certainly don't diminish his original intent, which was to be helpful. I wish Graham would realize he is among friends, and that his time spent here should be good times, not times for consternation and bad feelings. Thank you for the friend bit, it has not felt like it for several days. No they will not comeback there is too much agro on them The piece was correct in the picture it painted into the mind of the target recipient who told me they could not understand what Nick was on about and gave up reading it.
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Post by tonyqj on Oct 26, 2016 15:52:22 GMT
And you STILL can't let it go...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 16:02:13 GMT
And you STILL can't let it go... Hang on, I've just the thing to solve that.....
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