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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 9:40:22 GMT
I hope @socks returns to tell us how the repairs went (well and trouble free hopefully ) Once you put 'stuff' out there it can take on a life of its own ... just the nature of the beast. Rog
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Post by Trina on Nov 16, 2021 9:52:52 GMT
Ironic really when you remember her attitude to TB both on here & the other place back in the day.
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Post by kris on Nov 16, 2021 11:16:25 GMT
Thread speaks for it self really, yet another person dunkers has lambasted and bullied because they won’t do what he wants them to. It just goes to show it doesn’t matter how good the advice is, it’s how it’s delivered. Tony, what’s happened in your life to make you so bitter and twisted? I know it’s not the. Loss of your boat, because you where like it before. By all accounts you’ve been like it a long while, so it can’t be age. So what is it that’s made you so bitter?
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Post by tonyb on Nov 16, 2021 11:59:54 GMT
I have an inkling of what TD may feel like and why he reacted as he did in this topic and as far as I am concerned some of the OP's posts to people trying to help her in the other place illustrates it very well. When you have the knowledge that may help someone and offer that knowledge but find it is curtly dismissed/ignored or meets a refusal to look further into a problem then it gets very frustrating and all too easily encourages a response that later one may regret.
In this case, although putting the boat in a small pound and draining it to see what had happened was probably good advice if the person was fit and practical, giving it in this case with the history of the OP from both places meant it was almost guaranteed to be ignored and with good reason I would suggest.
If it were my boat I would first be having a good feel through the weed hatch to see if I could feel anything and if not, even at this time of year, would probably got some old cloths on and got in with the boat providing I had easy exit from the canal but there is no way I would suggest that to the OP because I would expect a very negative response from many posters, as it should be.
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Post by woolymammoth on Nov 16, 2021 12:42:11 GMT
Internet forum help relies on accurate information, the lack of which, seems to have added to speculation and probably annoyance. This and the other place are great communities of lots of people willing to help, often physically turning up to boats and their owners in need. I'm sure there are a few locally that would have, me included, but the OP's track record, dismissive and holier-than-thou attitude could result in wasted and thankless effort. Wayne seemed a good guy when I encountered him working on someone's engine until way after dark - TD lambasting him isn't helpful. The analysis of this job, beyond his remit, was accepted by socks. Maybe that would have been the time to leave it and wait for an update.
Socks portrayed Barrowford as unsafe as a justification for tackling some very challenging locks, single-handed in the dark when no-one is around. Most sensible risk-averse boaters take the safe option of mooring before the first lock (perfectly safe) and wait for daylight before tackling the seven locks of that flight, which on a fine day have plenty of passers-by to offer a hand. Lesson learned about what's safe, but she knows best.
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Post by cygnus on Nov 16, 2021 12:49:47 GMT
Right folks,
Mystery solved.
I have talked to the previous owner and it has been welded under the water. When the boat was surveyed before sale the prop shaft bearing had wear so a new one was fitted. The welder cut the rudder stock above the rudder blade to get access. Fitted new bearing and re-welded the rudder stock. Mystery solved. I hope Jo gets this. The crew that fitted the tiller bearing probably knew that the swan neck came off and so could do the job in water.
I wonder what would have happened if the weld hadn't broke !!!
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Post by tonyb on Nov 16, 2021 12:59:03 GMT
Right folks, Mystery solved. I have talked to the previous owner and it has been welded under the water. When the boat was surveyed before sale the prop shaft bearing had wear so a new one was fitted. The welder cut the rudder stock to get access. Fitted new bearing and re-welded the rudder stock. Mystery solved. I hope Jo gets this.
Thanks for taking the trouble to find out.
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Post by patty on Nov 16, 2021 13:29:44 GMT
Right folks, Mystery solved. I have talked to the previous owner and it has been welded under the water. When the boat was surveyed before sale the prop shaft bearing had wear so a new one was fitted. The welder cut the rudder stock to get access. Fitted new bearing and re-welded the rudder stock. Mystery solved. I hope Jo gets this. Is she still posting t'other side?.. maybe someone could pop it up there... thats good of you to solve the mystery and maybe when she knows she'll realise folk chew the cud and eventually solutions are found...
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 16, 2021 14:04:14 GMT
No one is disputing your expertise but you are not anyway near Socks’ boat are you? So practically you are no more use than a chocolate fireguard are you? My insurance would wash their hands of and claim as I had intermingled where I should have taken and abided by professional advice.. You're all very good at making uninformed and incorrect assumptions. Where in this thread have I indicated or suggested that Socks should attempt, or even contemplate doing the repairs herself ? One of my customers used to have a boat with a Tyler built hull - like Socks's - and he e-mailed me a sketch this morning showing the main details of the rudder assembly, . . so I now know pretty much what's likely to have happened, and what's needed to fix it
I've got to go up to Liverpool and Preston sometime during the coming week, and until this morning's outburst, I was prepared to offer to call in at Barrowford on the way back and do the job, with a second visit if necessary if the job couldn't be wrapped up in one go. Despite saying that my expertise is not in question, you differentiate between my advice and what you refer to as "professional" advice. Is there any particular reason for that, . . apart from the obvious ? The misconception that I suggested that socks should dry her boat out in a pound and attempt to fix the rudder damage persists. At no point ANYWHERE in this thread or elsewhere did I suggest, advise, or indicate any such thing. The idea that I had came from the stupid woman herself, and was then perpetuated by others inclined to pay more attention to the twaddle she was posting than to to the advice I was actually giving her. The post I made (above) last Saturday should, and probably would have put an end to that particular piece of nonsense -- IF anyone had bothered to read it !
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 16, 2021 14:15:32 GMT
Right folks, Mystery solved. I have talked to the previous owner and it has been welded under the water. When the boat was surveyed before sale the prop shaft bearing had wear so a new one was fitted. The welder cut the rudder stock to get access. Fitted new bearing and re-welded the rudder stock. Mystery solved. I hope Jo gets this. I'll comment on this later, . . when everyone's had time to think about the implications -- ALL the implications !
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Post by cygnus on Nov 16, 2021 14:19:43 GMT
Right folks, Mystery solved. I have talked to the previous owner and it has been welded under the water. When the boat was surveyed before sale the prop shaft bearing had wear so a new one was fitted. The welder cut the rudder stock above the rudder blade to get access. Fitted new bearing and re-welded the rudder stock. Mystery solved. I hope Jo gets this. The crew that fitted the tiller bearing probably knew that the swan neck came off and so could do the job in water. I wonder what would have happened if the weld hadn't broke !!! I've posted similar on CWDF, hopefully she will see it !
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 16, 2021 14:25:22 GMT
I wonder what would have happened if the weld hadn't broke !!! Quite, . . she was probably very lucky that it did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 14:40:12 GMT
Right folks, Mystery solved. I have talked to the previous owner and it has been welded under the water. When the boat was surveyed before sale the prop shaft bearing had wear so a new one was fitted. The welder cut the rudder stock above the rudder blade to get access. Fitted new bearing and re-welded the rudder stock. Mystery solved. I hope Jo gets this. The crew that fitted the tiller bearing probably knew that the swan neck came off and so could do the job in water. I wonder what would have happened if the weld hadn't broke !!! As i suggested earlier, it was indeed about access to the prop shaft for replacement. I've done three prop shafts on canal boats. On two occasions the elum tube was large enough diameter to lift the rudder post out of the lower bearing and move sideways enough to drop rudder and withdraw the shaft. The other boat the stern tube itself was slightly misaligned and the shaft came out without hitting the rudder. Deliberate design I suspect. not an immediately obvious thing when looked at but it was slightly off. The engine was also very slightly not "square". So no rudder stocks were cut.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 14:43:12 GMT
I wonder what would have happened if the weld hadn't broke !!! Quite, . . she was probably very lucky that it did. It's actually quite a sensible option to have a weak point in the system. Cheaper to reweld than to make a whole new rudder. On the other hand complete loss of steering would in some situations be catastrophic and one would definitely prefer a bent rudder than nothing at all. Overall it's best just to not allow the rudder itself to ever contact anything other than water but unexpected things do happen from time to time.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 16, 2021 16:16:11 GMT
I have an inkling of what TD may feel like and why he reacted as he did in this topic and as far as I am concerned some of the OP's posts to people trying to help her in the other place illustrates it very well. When you have the knowledge that may help someone and offer that knowledge but find it is curtly dismissed/ignored or meets a refusal to look further into a problem then it gets very frustrating and all too easily encourages a response that later one may regret. In this case, although putting the boat in a small pound and draining it to see what had happened was probably good advice if the person was fit and practical, giving it in this case with the history of the OP from both places meant it was almost guaranteed to be ignored and with good reason I would suggest. If it were my boat I would first be having a good feel through the weed hatch to see if I could feel anything and if not, even at this time of year, would probably got some old cloths on and got in with the boat providing I had easy exit from the canal but there is no way I would suggest that to the OP because I would expect a very negative response from many posters, as it should be. I 'reacted' by continuing to try to help, . . despite it being against my better judgement, and instincts ! I don't know what your reaction will be, but have you seen what's been posted on CWDF about what YOU have suggested she should do ? It's about halfway down page 2 of the relevant thread -- posted earlier today : - "The ramshead is not like that, there is no sign of a nut or bolt at the top, and it is square not cylindrical.
My post on here is asking about a tow btw, so far not seen a boat for a week, and the weather is perfect.
I have left the other forum due to the aggression shown by Dunkley, he has spent a lot of time disparaging my own decisions, those of the engineer, the CRT, the marina. He has not seen the boat, he has not been to fix it, I don't think he would be insured. I would have difficulty working with anyone with his level of aggression.
I asked him to modify his postings, and in the end to stop posting. That did not stop him
I am aware that there could have been a repair before I got the boat, if so, I tested it to destruction 😑
It's pointless to speculate any further getting the thing repaired economically but also properly is the thing. I would like to put a new ramshead,, such as those in the green photo, I have tried to discuss this with Tyler Wilson in Sheffield, they are just not interested.
I am waiting for things to come together, metaphorically and physically.
Tony Brooks suggested I go in the water, I would struggle to get out. The tiller rotates 360, freely, something is broke, almost certainly. I think the break is near the tiller, but I can't be sure, seems unlikely if the rudder caught on the door, as I was going up. There is nothing I can do to repair the boat. My tools are B&Q christmas set, and my engineering skills are limited. I cannot weld, I have no power tools."
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