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Post by Andyberg on Nov 16, 2021 18:16:20 GMT
Good to see CWDF managed to sort the issue and take the credit with their excellent, knowledgable posters advice! 👍
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Post by tonyb on Nov 16, 2021 19:34:22 GMT
You're all very good at making uninformed and incorrect assumptions. Where in this thread have I indicated or suggested that Socks should attempt, or even contemplate doing the repairs herself ? One of my customers used to have a boat with a Tyler built hull - like Socks's - and he e-mailed me a sketch this morning showing the main details of the rudder assembly, . . so I now know pretty much what's likely to have happened, and what's needed to fix it
I've got to go up to Liverpool and Preston sometime during the coming week, and until this morning's outburst, I was prepared to offer to call in at Barrowford on the way back and do the job, with a second visit if necessary if the job couldn't be wrapped up in one go. Despite saying that my expertise is not in question, you differentiate between my advice and what you refer to as "professional" advice. Is there any particular reason for that, . . apart from the obvious ? The misconception that I suggested that socks should dry her boat out in a pound and attempt to fix the rudder damage persists. At no point ANYWHERE in this thread or elsewhere did I suggest, advise, or indicate any such thing. The idea that I had came from the stupid woman herself, and was then perpetuated by others inclined to pay more attention to the twaddle she was posting than to to the advice I was actually giving her. The post I made (above) last Saturday should, and probably would have put an end to that particular piece of nonsense -- IF anyone had bothered to read it !
In that case please accept my apologies for misrepresenting you. I was just trying to defend you from some of the comments that were flying about.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 19:55:00 GMT
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 16, 2021 21:29:41 GMT
Right folks, Mystery solved. I have talked to the previous owner and it has been welded under the water. When the boat was surveyed before sale the prop shaft bearing had wear so a new one was fitted. The welder cut the rudder stock above the rudder blade to get access. Fitted new bearing and re-welded the rudder stock. Mystery solved. I said earlier that I would comment on this later, after everyone had had time to think about the implications of what has now come to light. From the lack of any response it appears that nobody has managed to work any of them out. Why am I not surprised ?
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Post by JohnV on Nov 17, 2021 0:23:42 GMT
or that there may be a rudder at the bottom of the lock ?
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Post by thebfg on Nov 17, 2021 2:02:57 GMT
Or we simply don't care anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 6:51:30 GMT
She said in the first post that the rudder did not have a hole in the top "for steering ropes" which leads one to believe that the rudder is still present.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 17, 2021 8:02:19 GMT
With reference to what Chagall and JohnV said last night, they've each correctly identified two separate elements by which the chosen, and VERY ill-advised, course of action that's been decided on could, and probably will go seriously and expensively wrong.
With regards to the rudder, . . it is still in situ, but now that it's known pretty much for certain that the rudder stock has parted between the upper edge of the rudder's main blade and balance and the counter bottom plating, . . the only thing that's keeping it where it is is the bottom end of the rudder stock itself where it sits in the shallow (approx 2") cup on the skeg.
The chances of the rudder falling off whilst making way under tow to 'Barlick' are very high, . . and if it does, Sod's Law will almost certainly dictate that it falls off somewhere in Foulridge Tunnel.
Turning to the question of the insurance claim. In light of the cause of the rudder stock breakage being almost certainly down to a sub-standard weld at the point where the rudder stock was unnecessarily cut to facilitate pre-purchase stern bush replacement, and the fact that the necessary repairs and inspection for any other incidental damage can all be completed where the boat is currently located, . . it is highly unlikely that any insurance claim covering the overall cost of repairs -- including towage, craning out, and labour and materials -- will be met in full, . . if at all !
The circumstances under which the damage to the boat came about will also come under scrutiny by the insurers. They will NOT look kindly on the fact that it occurred whilst the boat was being single-handed through locks in the dark.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 17, 2021 8:22:22 GMT
The circumstances under which the damage to the boat came about will also come under scrutiny by the insurers. They will NOT look kindly on the fact that it occurred whilst the boat was being single-handed through locks in the dark. The usual twaddle from the Forum Cabbage. The canal network is open 24 hours a day and unless there is a clause in the T&Cs prohibiting navigation during the hours of darkness, "looking kindly" at a claim doesn't begin to come into it.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 17, 2021 8:28:54 GMT
The circumstances under which the damage to the boat came about will also come under scrutiny by the insurers. They will NOT look kindly on the fact that it occurred whilst the boat was being single-handed through locks in the dark. The usual twaddle from the Forum Cabbage. The canal network is open 24 hours a day and unless there is a clause in the T&Cs prohibiting navigation during the hours of darkness, "looking kindly" at a claim doesn't begin to come into it. Suggest you read very carefully your insurance small print.
Many forbid singlehanding at night (especially fully comp) Mine does
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 17, 2021 9:00:48 GMT
The circumstances under which the damage to the boat came about will also come under scrutiny by the insurers. They will NOT look kindly on the fact that it occurred whilst the boat was being single-handed through locks in the dark. Except that it wasn’t dark when the incident happened.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 9:01:16 GMT
Socks posted that everything was in hand to Socks satisfaction back on page two or three.
Everything thereafter is generating heat but no light, and has resulted in driving another poster away, which is a pity.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 9:02:07 GMT
, . . the only thing that's keeping it where it is is the bottom end of the rudder stock itself where it sits in the shallow (approx 2") cup on the skeg. Not if it's been repaired with a piece of pipe. One of the welds could break but depending on the length of the piece of pipe used to join the parts it would probably stay in place as long as the tiller assembly was not lifted too far. if ifs and ands were pots and pans there'd be no work for the tinker. It is fair to say it would be good to eyeball the situation by draining or at least lowering a pound but to be fair without CRT approval you would then be breaking a byelaw.
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Post by Jim on Nov 17, 2021 9:02:16 GMT
So it turns out that the "so called engineer" Wayne was right all along, boat has to come out for welding.
@tony dunkley, the good stuff gets ignored or missed amongst the sneering drivel against anyone with a different view. Write a book with all the good stuff, get a good editor to weed out the arsey remarks, we will then have a great resource, a bible of how it used to be done, to use or ignore at our peril.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 17, 2021 9:05:30 GMT
Dave's right, . . first priority is to get the boat out of the lock and tied up in the summit pound. Whatever you do, DON'T stay in the lock overnight -- it's too risky. If the lock starts draining down whilst you're asleep you could well end up turning an inconvenience into a disaster. Well, I'm not sure how to get out, as I say, it's very slippery, grass slopes, there are no bollards, previously I ve been tying my stern to the posts that support the screw things that open the side paddles. I m not convinced. I'll l go out with a torch, but as I say, its pitch black, and light rain. Now out, tx all, esp passerby who soon did the manual work. Telemachus ...... the first post was after sunset as well
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