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Post by JohnV on Dec 18, 2021 8:50:09 GMT
Over 30% of kids in the UK live in relative poverty Over 200,000 are homelessThe NHS and social care is on it's knees, underfunded and disorganised But yes ... Christmas parties in 2020 are the real issue that the government should be held accountable for. Rog of course it is worth noting that there are at least double that number of illegal immigrants in the UK
*Home office figures !!!
many other groups put it much higher
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 12:25:38 GMT
Sadly that's not true Telemachus in these days of zero hours contracts, and minimum wage... hence the importance of food banks and free school meals. Because we are comfortable shouldn't blind us to young families who are struggling. Rog
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Post by ianali on Dec 18, 2021 12:33:18 GMT
Sadly that's not true Telemachus in these days of zero hours contracts, and minimum wage... hence the importance of food banks and free school meals. Because we are comfortable shouldn't blind us to young families who are struggling. Rog I have two friends who teach in schools. The stories they tell, of how many of their pupils live in real poverty is truly disturbing.
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Post by Jim on Dec 18, 2021 14:17:19 GMT
anything now is fuel to get people hyped up and angry. It's been a slow build of dissatisfaction across the populace, the drip of lies and one rule for you another for me etc that has coalesced around the xmas partys. The Shropshire debacle was entirely of their own making, the next door mp, another Tory, is being investigated too.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 18, 2021 20:54:18 GMT
Sadly that's not true Telemachus in these days of zero hours contracts, and minimum wage... hence the importance of food banks and free school meals. Because we are comfortable shouldn't blind us to young families who are struggling. Rog Relative poverty means the kids have 60% of money spent on them compared to average U.K. kids. The word “relative” is self explanatory. The word “poverty” is emotive and blots out any sense that arises from “relative”. This is why the term annoys me. Unless every family receives more or less the same income, there will always be people in “relative poverty” even if they have 5 butlers, a mansion and seven Rolls Royces in the drive (the neighbours having 10 butlers and 20 rolls royces) Yes some families are struggling and need to use food banks and free school meals. But with food banks and free school meals, are the children actually starving as they are in many other countries? Or is merely the stigma of having to attend food banks and receive free school meals that is the problem? The stigma of course being a concept that is transmitted by people like you, to the children, to make them feel like victims. i really don’t see a conceptual difference between increasing state benefits such as UC and tax credits, vs having free school meals and food banks. Presumably you are happy with state aid in terms of child benefit, universal credit, tax credits etc (although you would like them to be more) but not free school meals and food banks. Why, and what is the difference? Whilst every case is unique and circumstances change unexpectedly, a fundamental problem in this country is that many individuals feel that they have a right to have children whilst not having a strategy to support them, and a right for the state to then support and look after them. This is an untenable condition for any society. Having travelled extensively in this world, I can tell you that in many poor countries where incomes are incredibly low, children are very happy. Having a happy childhood is not so much about family income, it is much more about having loving parents and a happy society. As we have recently seen, some pretty horrendous things can happen to children in the U.K. which are unrelated to family income or “relative child poverty”.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 18, 2021 21:04:17 GMT
anything now is fuel to get people hyped up and angry. It's been a slow build of dissatisfaction across the populace, the drip of lies and one rule for you another for me etc that has coalesced around the xmas partys. The Shropshire debacle was entirely of their own making, the next door mp, another Tory, is being investigated too. Of course you can fool some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time and so many people have seen through the Covid hoax now that Johnson's position is pretty much untenable. We are going into lockdown again because one person has died of Omicron but the Government refuse to release any details whatsoever about this person? Surely Jim, even you are starting to see through it now?
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 18, 2021 21:12:50 GMT
It's been a slow build of dissatisfaction across the populace, the drip of lies and one rule for you another for me etc that has coalesced around the xmas partys. The Shropshire debacle was entirely of their own making, the next door mp, another Tory, is being investigated too. Of course you can fool some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time and so many people have seen through the Covid hoax now that Johnson's position is pretty much untenable. We are going into lockdown again because one person has died of Omicron but the Government refuse to release any details whatsoever about this person? Surely Jim, even you are starting to see through it now? As far as I’m aware the person died with Omicron, not from omicron. But if only you had gone to a proper school you would realise that Omicron infection comes first, then 2 weeks later hospitalisation occurs, then 2 weeks after that death occurs. So if you wait until a lot of deaths start occurring before you do anything, you then have a large number of people in the 4 week queue for death, and by then there’s nothing you can do about it. I doubt the term “closing the stable door after the horse has bolted” was invented by someone who went to a secondary modern school, so I suppose we have to accommodate your cognitive difficulties. It may turn out to be a bit of over-reaction, but the problem is that under-reaction is irreversible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 21:16:44 GMT
I work with people who struggle to cover their rent and heating bills despite working as many hours as they can get ... actually buying food comes in at a distant third place. You and I Telemachus are very fortunate and shouldn't forget it. I experienced 'free school meals' ... having those from more affluent families sneer and ridicule me because of it was character building ... but of a type I'd like to see others avoid. Whatever the parental problems, the children are neither responsible or to be blamed. I will hold the government of the world's sixth richest economy to account (whatever party) for failing to eradicate the scourge of 'relative' child poverty, homelessness, and the inability to correctly manage and fund the NHS and social care, whilst funding pet projects like HS2. I REALLY don't care what parties they have ... let's get the REAL job done. Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 18, 2021 21:20:10 GMT
Of course you can fool some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time and so many people have seen through the Covid hoax now that Johnson's position is pretty much untenable. We are going into lockdown again because one person has died of Omicron but the Government refuse to release any details whatsoever about this person? Surely Jim, even you are starting to see through it now? As far as I’m aware the person died with Omicron, not from omicron. But if only you had gone to a proper school you would realise that Omicron infection comes first, then 2 weeks later hospitalisation occurs, then 2 weeks after that death occurs. So if you wait until a lot of deaths start occurring before you do anything, you then have a large number of people in the 4 week queue for death, and by then there’s nothing you can do about it. I doubt the term “closing the stable door after the horse has bolted” was invented by someone who went to a secondary modern school, so I suppose we have to accommodate your cognitive difficulties. It may turn out to be a bit of over-reaction, but the problem is that under-reaction is irreversible. Well, like I said you can fool some of the people all of the time.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 18, 2021 21:26:55 GMT
I work with people who struggle to cover their rent and heating bills despite working as many hours as they can get ... actually buying food comes in at a distant third place. You and I Telemachus are very fortunate and shouldn't forget it. I experienced 'free school meals' ... having those from more affluent families sneer and ridicule me because of it was character building ... but of a type I'd like to see others avoid. Whatever the parental problems, the children are neither responsible or to be blamed. I will hold the government of the world's sixth richest economy to account (whatever party) for failing to eradicate the scourge of 'relative' child poverty, homelessness, and the inability to correctly manage and fund the NHS and social care, whilst funding pet projects like HS2. I REALLY don't care what parties they have ... let's get the REAL job done. Rog I’m not sure you get the point. You cannot eradicate relative child poverty unless every family earns pretty much the same income. Which is communism. But maybe you a communist? How did you fellow children know to sneer and ridicule you for having free school meals? Was it something they worked out for themselves, or was it a concept taught to them by their and your parents? My point being that such stigmas are the product of the people in society, not their governments.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 21:32:20 GMT
It's been a slow build of dissatisfaction across the populace, the drip of lies and one rule for you another for me etc that has coalesced around the xmas partys. The Shropshire debacle was entirely of their own making, the next door mp, another Tory, is being investigated too. so many people have seen through the Covid hoax That's a fair attempt at asserting that most people now believe the 'covid hoax' theory. What a shame it's bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 21:34:49 GMT
My children get free school meals.
It was really mad when they were in the "middle class people come to this school because there are less wogs" school. Academy converted school which gives them more financial independence. What a scam! They are rushing around giving out free school meals vouchers and I was like "oh yeah, what's happening here then?".
Turns out they get about £3 per day to feed the kids. Then they get a Brakes rigid wagon in to deliver the food.
Being an academy they can allocate the funds as they see fit so basically 50p to feed the kids and £2.50 in the pocket.
200 kids that's £500 a day. Quite nice money there?
Scam
Needless to say we did not have our children at that school for long. Horrible shithouse "outstanding Ofsted results".
Sad really but the reality in the modern day of academy converter state schools.
They are much happier in the proper state school non academy parasite thing.
The fuckers also gave my children in year placements and interviewed parents which is illegal under academy converter law. They mistook me for a middle class item when I am in fact upper class.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 21:40:14 GMT
I work with people who struggle to cover their rent and heating bills despite working as many hours as they can get ... actually buying food comes in at a distant third place. You and I Telemachus are very fortunate and shouldn't forget it. I experienced 'free school meals' ... having those from more affluent families sneer and ridicule me because of it was character building ... but of a type I'd like to see others avoid. Whatever the parental problems, the children are neither responsible or to be blamed. I will hold the government of the world's sixth richest economy to account (whatever party) for failing to eradicate the scourge of 'relative' child poverty, homelessness, and the inability to correctly manage and fund the NHS and social care, whilst funding pet projects like HS2. I REALLY don't care what parties they have ... let's get the REAL job done. Rog I’m not sure you get the point. You cannot eradicate relative child poverty unless every family earns pretty much the same income. Which is communism. But maybe you a communist? How did you fellow children know to sneer and ridicule you for having free school meals? Was it something they worked out for themselves, or was it a concept taught to them by their and your parents? My point being that such stigmas are the product of the people in society, not their governments. I'm not sure you're open to seeing the problem if it doesn't directly affect you! Perhaps we're both wrong I would hope to see a government (I'm not interested in which political party, but at one point I thought Labour looked promising ... then John Smith died) that identified the real social issues of the day, and worked directly towards resolving them. Child poverty issues and homelessness could and should be resolved in about six months, whilst having change from the HS2 total bill ... it's about where you want to spend rather than what. Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 18, 2021 21:41:54 GMT
so many people have seen through the Covid hoax That's a fair attempt at asserting that most people now believe the 'covid hoax' theory. What a shame it's bollocks. I think most people have realised that it is complete nonsense now, and this is why the Liberal Democrats, a strongly pro-eu party won a by-election in a strongly pro-Bexit constituency this week. The vote against the Conservatives was a vote against the Covid hoax.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 21:46:51 GMT
I remember the day John Smith died. I was cruising along the Coventry canal one morning in my narrow boat and there were some geysers digging out a new marina. I used to have radio 4 on, using earphones.
Cruised past one of the 360 excavators and the thing was idle with the driver sitting in the seat with door open. No smart phones in those days so his attention was available.
I waved and shouted "John Smith has died" and he said "what?".
Must have thought I was a bit of a loony.
Changed the course of history in this country and not for the better.
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