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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 21:51:14 GMT
That's a fair attempt at asserting that most people now believe the 'covid hoax' theory. What a shame it's bollocks. I think most people have realised that it is complete nonsense now, and this is why the Liberal Democrats, a strongly pro-eu party won a by-election in a strongly pro-Bexit constituency this week. The vote against the Conservatives was a vote against the Covid hoax. The other way of reading it would be that it was a vote against the conservatives in the sense of the visible ones like Hancock and Johnson who presided over an "awful health crisis" and just showed what a bunch of conmen they are. Rather than covid being a hoax perhaps it's the actual tories who are just basically useless in a crisis. Plus of course the by election was caused by a Tory MP resigning and presumably he knew which way the wind was blowing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 21:51:52 GMT
That's a fair attempt at asserting that most people now believe the 'covid hoax' theory. What a shame it's bollocks. I think most people have realised that it is complete nonsense now, and this is why the Liberal Democrats, a strongly pro-eu party won a by-election in a strongly pro-Bexit constituency this week. The vote against the Conservatives was a vote against the Covid hoax. Another assertion. Which is wrong. The vote against the tories was a protest vote about hypocrisy enabled by privilege, just as the referendum was won by leave because most were sick of arguing about it. Funny how you get these things so wrong.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 18, 2021 21:53:10 GMT
I’m not sure you get the point. You cannot eradicate relative child poverty unless every family earns pretty much the same income. Which is communism. But maybe you a communist? How did you fellow children know to sneer and ridicule you for having free school meals? Was it something they worked out for themselves, or was it a concept taught to them by their and your parents? My point being that such stigmas are the product of the people in society, not their governments. I'm not sure you're open to seeing the problem if it doesn't directly affect you! Perhaps we're both wrong I would hope to see a government (I'm not interested in which political party, but at one point I thought Labour looked promising ... then John Smith died) that identified the real social issues of the day, and worked directly towards resolving them. Child poverty issues and homelessness could and should be resolved in about six months, whilst having change from the HS2 total bill ... it's about where you want to spend rather than what. Rog Sorry but I think you are naive if you think (relative) child poverty and homelessness could be fixed in 6 months. It’s not about the money (heaven knows the U.K. has recently borrowed a phenomenal amount of money!). As I tried to explain, relative child poverty is a construct that is not helpful. It is only partially about the money. You can throw money at some people and still their children are miserable and in poverty. Or you can identify families who are extremely poor and yet their children are happy and prosper. It seems quite a capitalist viewpoint that “money can fix anything”. As to homelessness it is not just about an inadequate supply of affordable housing, there is also a huge mental health issue and that is not fixed in 6 months. If you were PM, what would your strategy be for fixing relative child poverty and homelessness? On HS2, the U.K. has become a third world country in terms of its transport infrastructure. It is embarrassing to travel abroad and discover than nearly every vaguely prosperous country has a rail infrastructure vastly superior to U.K. Yes one can always find a pressing reason to spend short term money, but that results in a failure of long term investment in such things as transport infrastructure.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 18, 2021 21:54:33 GMT
I think most people have realised that it is complete nonsense now, and this is why the Liberal Democrats, a strongly pro-eu party won a by-election in a strongly pro-Bexit constituency this week. The vote against the Conservatives was a vote against the Covid hoax. Another assertion. Which is wrong. The vote against the tories was a protest vote about hypocrisy enabled by privilege, just as the referendum was won by leave because most were sick of arguing about it. Funny how you get these things so wrong. If you say so but then they wouldn't have held these Downing Street parties if they all thought it was likely to kill them, would they? Like I said, "Some of the people all of the time".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 21:55:02 GMT
John Smith's death.
I was sitting in MFI (remember them) waiting for a bed to be delivered so I could load it into the van - was moving into my first flat that day. Rarely has someone who I didn't know dying have so much affect on me.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 18, 2021 21:58:15 GMT
Another assertion. Which is wrong. The vote against the tories was a protest vote about hypocrisy enabled by privilege, just as the referendum was won by leave because most were sick of arguing about it. Funny how you get these things so wrong. If you say so but then they wouldn't have held these Downing Street parties if they all thought it was likely to kill them, would they? Like I said, "Some of the people all of the time". It was a technical breach. They worked together, as was permitted at the time. At the end of the working together thing, they had a wind-down party. That was against the rules, but incurred no greater risk of covid. Very naughty and stupid and tone deaf - yes. But no more likely to kill them than their day job, since it was a minor extension of their day job.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 22:00:40 GMT
John Smith's death.
I was sitting in MFI (remember them) waiting for a bed to be delivered so I could load it into the van - was moving into my first flat that day. Rarely has someone who I didn't know dying have so much affect on me. I was just talking about MFI with an acquaintance yesterday. Made For Idiots
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 22:01:15 GMT
Another assertion. Which is wrong. The vote against the tories was a protest vote about hypocrisy enabled by privilege, just as the referendum was won by leave because most were sick of arguing about it. Funny how you get these things so wrong. If you say so but then they wouldn't have held these Downing Street parties if they all thought it was likely to kill them, would they? Like I said, "Some of the people all of the time". And come the next election I predict you'll see a whole lot more buyer's remorse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 22:01:16 GMT
I'm not sure you're open to seeing the problem if it doesn't directly affect you! Perhaps we're both wrong I would hope to see a government (I'm not interested in which political party, but at one point I thought Labour looked promising ... then John Smith died) that identified the real social issues of the day, and worked directly towards resolving them. Child poverty issues and homelessness could and should be resolved in about six months, whilst having change from the HS2 total bill ... it's about where you want to spend rather than what. Rog Sorry but I think you are naive if you think (relative) child poverty and homelessness could be fixed in 6 months. It’s not about the money (heaven knows the U.K. has recently borrowed a phenomenal amount of money!). As I tried to explain, relative child poverty is a construct that is not helpful. It is only partially about the money. You can throw money at some people and still their children are miserable and in poverty. Or you can identify families who are extremely poor and yet their children are happy and prosper. It seems quite a capitalist viewpoint that “money can fix anything”. As to homelessness it is not just about an inadequate supply of affordable housing, there is also a huge mental health issue and that is not fixed in 6 months. If you were PM, what would your strategy be for fixing relative child poverty and homelessness? On HS2, the U.K. has become a third world country in terms of its transport infrastructure. It is embarrassing to travel abroad and discover than nearly every vaguely prosperous country has a rail infrastructure vastly superior to U.K. Yes one can always find a pressing reason to spend short term money, but that results in a failure of long term investment in such things as transport infrastructure. I agree ... our national public transport system should be exactly that . It's simply a matter of deciding what should be funded ... it's not about cost (covid expenditure shows that) ... rather what we choose to finance. My priorities are different to yours. Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 18, 2021 22:02:51 GMT
If you say so but then they wouldn't have held these Downing Street parties if they all thought it was likely to kill them, would they? Like I said, "Some of the people all of the time". It was a technical breach. They worked together, as was permitted at the time. At the end of the working together thing, they had a wind-down party. That was against the rules, but incurred no greater risk of covid. Very naughty and stupid and tone deaf - yes. But no more likely to kill them than their day job, since it was a minor extension of their day job. But I wasn't allowed to socialise in the evening with people I had been working with all day, so why did they? It's either dangerous or it isn't. Covid is either only transmissible outside working hours or it isn't. "Some of the people, all of the time".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 22:03:22 GMT
I think most people have realised that it is complete nonsense now, and this is why the Liberal Democrats, a strongly pro-eu party won a by-election in a strongly pro-Bexit constituency this week. The vote against the Conservatives was a vote against the Covid hoax. Another assertion. Which is wrong. The vote against the tories was a protest vote about hypocrisy enabled by privilege, just as the referendum was won by leave because most were sick of arguing about it. Funny how you get these things so wrong. To be fair the plebiscite (use the right word old chap) was won by leave because the headmaster told everyone he was pro remain when he obviously wasn't. That was all about the Cameron thing getting a second term in office. Nothing else happened.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 22:03:39 GMT
John Smith's death.
I was sitting in MFI (remember them) waiting for a bed to be delivered so I could load it into the van - was moving into my first flat that day. Rarely has someone who I didn't know dying have so much affect on me. I'm still having issues with the demise of John Brown.
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Post by metanoia on Dec 18, 2021 22:06:05 GMT
It was a technical breach. They worked together, as was permitted at the time. At the end of the working together thing, they had a wind-down party. That was against the rules, but incurred no greater risk of covid. Very naughty and stupid and tone deaf - yes. But no more likely to kill them than their day job, since it was a minor extension of their day job. But I wasn't allowed to socialise in the evening with people I had been working with all day, so why did they? It's either dangerous or it isn't. Covid is either only transmissible outside working hours or it isn't. "Some of the people, all of the time". ...and it will know if it is Christmas Day....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 22:08:28 GMT
John Smith's death.
I was sitting in MFI (remember them) waiting for a bed to be delivered so I could load it into the van - was moving into my first flat that day. Rarely has someone who I didn't know dying have so much affect on me. I'm still having issues with the demise of John Brown. I don't know who that was but Gordon Brown has a lot to answer for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 22:10:03 GMT
I'm still having issues with the demise of John Brown. I don't know who that was but Gordon Brown has a lot to answer for. I'm assured his soul goes marching on. This gives me some solace.
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