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Post by JohnV on Oct 30, 2016 18:41:59 GMT
er cheers fellas... I didn't get around to that today... I seem to have a different problem that was/is more pressing. The wiring "somewhere" in one of the lighting circuits is fooked - it keeps tripping the mcb (the builder has used a sneider "home" consumer unit.... IGNORING that, I tried to isolate each switched circuit to identy which one was tripping it... to no avail... THEN i removed all the lights ... still no good... THEN I switched the mcb over to one that was working.... HOPING it was a faulty one ... it wasn't... the "swapped" one kept tripping on the circuit. IT's a pain in the bum as it's the kitchen, bathroom and bedroom that won't stay on... all rooms I want work in - in the dart The only thing I didn't think to try was tightening all the negatives on the busbar in the unit - I'll try that first thing and if no joy, will phone the builder and see if he'll send somoene out - I HOPE they don't have to rip out all the ceiling lining and trims though as we've put 2 coats of varnish on them so far :-( yours' P'd off of Wakefield.... Sounds like a wire got crossed in one of your boxes - the ones that your fixtures and receptacles mount onto, not the breaker/fuse box. Easy to fix, once you find the fault.And therein lies the rub ...........
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Post by quaysider on Oct 30, 2016 19:20:13 GMT
er cheers fellas... I didn't get around to that today... I seem to have a different problem that was/is more pressing. The wiring "somewhere" in one of the lighting circuits is fooked - it keeps tripping the mcb (the builder has used a sneider "home" consumer unit.... IGNORING that, I tried to isolate each switched circuit to identy which one was tripping it... to no avail... THEN i removed all the lights ... still no good... THEN I switched the mcb over to one that was working.... HOPING it was a faulty one ... it wasn't... the "swapped" one kept tripping on the circuit. IT's a pain in the bum as it's the kitchen, bathroom and bedroom that won't stay on... all rooms I want work in - in the dart The only thing I didn't think to try was tightening all the negatives on the busbar in the unit - I'll try that first thing and if no joy, will phone the builder and see if he'll send somoene out - I HOPE they don't have to rip out all the ceiling lining and trims though as we've put 2 coats of varnish on them so far :-( yours' P'd off of Wakefield.... Sounds like a wire got crossed in one of your boxes - the ones that your fixtures and receptacles mount onto, not the breaker/fuse box. Easy to fix, once you find the fault. Ah - they just clip into the ceiling taken from spurs off a ring kind of affair if you follow:
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Post by PaulG2 on Oct 30, 2016 22:08:01 GMT
Sounds like a wire got crossed in one of your boxes - the ones that your fixtures and receptacles mount onto, not the breaker/fuse box. Easy to fix, once you find the fault. Ah - they just clip into the ceiling taken from spurs off a ring kind of affair if you follow: I sincerely doubt that you have individual wires going to each light socket, or other electrical outlets, so those are probably pigtails that the lights are connected to. For each individual circuit what you have is a paired cable + ground coming out of the breaker box consumer unit (bloody foreign languages). This cable goes to the first outlet on the circuit and should go into a small box of some kind. (The kind of box that your typical receptacle goes into. Something of that nature.) Inside that box connections will be made so that the incoming wires are connected to a pair of outgoing wires, to which the appliance/receptacle at that location will be connected. there will also be a cable exiting the box and that will run to the next box where the process is repeated. Switches are wired a bit differently, but the principle is the same. Lights are wired in a similar fashion, the difference being that the power goes through the switch before proceeding to the light(s). If you have more than one light on a switch, then at each light there are connections the same as described above. As you can see, there are a whole lot of connections that go into your wiring. Sometimes mistakes are made when installing the wiring. The good news is that the only places there should be any kind of connections are in places that are accessible... unless someone put a screw through one of the cables and then you're screwed.
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Post by tonyqj on Oct 30, 2016 22:18:57 GMT
... unless someone put a screw through one of the cables and then you're screwed. I saw what you did there...
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Post by The Lockie on Oct 31, 2016 10:57:25 GMT
Best solution I ever saw was to tap a couple of brass cable glands into the mushroom vent. I thought it a brilliant idea, least holes the better. I suppose they do chrome ones too if ypu are one of those new fangled shiny boater types
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Post by tonyqj on Oct 31, 2016 11:07:08 GMT
Best solution I ever saw was to tap a couple of brass cable glands into the mushroom vent. I thought it a brilliant idea, least holes the better. I suppose they do chrome ones too if ypu are one of those new fangled shiny boater types What a great idea 😀
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Post by bodger on Oct 31, 2016 12:08:44 GMT
always assuming you never need to adjust (twist) the mushroom.
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Post by The Lockie on Oct 31, 2016 12:22:58 GMT
always assuming you never need to adjust (twist) the mushroom. You tap the glands into the upstand so they are low enough not to interfere with the adjustment of the vent ,it works believe me
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Post by tonyt on Oct 31, 2016 18:58:55 GMT
Best solution I ever saw was to tap a couple of brass cable glands into the mushroom vent. I thought it a brilliant idea, least holes the better. I suppose they do chrome ones too if ypu are one of those new fangled shiny boater types What a great idea 😀 What a great idea - not - Sounds like a bodge to me.
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Post by The Lockie on Oct 31, 2016 19:05:14 GMT
What a great idea - not - Sounds like a bodge to me. So. If you tapped the same gland through the steel roof that wouldn't be bodge .....where's tomsk when ou need him
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Post by peterboat on Oct 31, 2016 21:28:14 GMT
I have some stainless steel glands nut on top to tighten the gland 3 screws to hold it down lovely things sicaflex underneath no leaks and been on years
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Post by tonyqj on Oct 31, 2016 22:06:23 GMT
I have some stainless steel glands nut on top to tighten the gland 3 screws to hold it down lovely things sicaflex underneath no leaks and been on years Sounds like the perfect way to do it.
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Post by quaysider on Nov 1, 2016 19:53:19 GMT
Break through today - having phoned the builder yesterday and made it HIS problem - some thing occurred to me about the wiring for the outside light... it's not got a switch on (ie the wire is unbroken in the cut out - I forgot to buy one)... so I "cut" the wire (thus breaking the circuit... and bingo - NO more tripping...
On investigating the "wire loop" outside - I found it Wasn't a wire loop at all, but 2 wires (with bare ends) that had been "pushed inside the hole out of the rain" by well meaning but incompetent 'other half' "...
The relief was palpable!
I put the builder out of his misery - or rather, I left him a message as for SOME reason, he didn't pick up my call lol
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Post by bodger on Nov 1, 2016 20:17:44 GMT
What a great idea - not - Sounds like a bodge to me. So. If you tapped the same gland through the steel roof that wouldn't be bodge .....where's tomsk when ou need him I would need to review the matter in depth before making a ruling on the matter.
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