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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 8:41:13 GMT
Its unlikely to have spread with that cabin on it, birdbrain. But, er, for the hard of humour, that was a joke, only small, admitedly. Pedantic technical details don't come into it. Gee, some folks are hard work. Did you see what I did there, my humour is spreading! I know that birdbrain (also humour - it was you who said you have a brain of a pigeon)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 8:42:45 GMT
Yes scaf boards and a laser measure would do it. Are you going to have a look at it then? 4 hours each way by train. I sent a message to seller to query the beam measurement. I would like to see it yes. The only thing which concerns me is if I go up to Yorkshire to a place where nice boats are I may disappear forever and the misses and kids might wonder WTF has happened to me.
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Post by kris on Jun 9, 2018 8:46:02 GMT
Yes scaf boards and a laser measure would do it. Are you going to have a look at it then? 4 hours each way by train. I sent a message to seller to query the beam measurement. I would like to see it yes. The only thing which concerns me is if I go up to Yorkshire to a place where nice boats are I may disappear forever and the misses and kids might wonder WTF has happened to me. Yes you might like it up north, the moorings are cheaper than London. Its quite a walk from the train station in knottingley as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 8:47:46 GMT
Do you know exactly where the boat is? It says Huddersfield in the advert.
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Post by kris on Jun 9, 2018 8:50:28 GMT
Do you know exactly where the boat is? It says Huddersfield in the advert. Yes i know exactly where it is, Hirsts boat yard at knottingley I was moored next to it for a while last year. Huddersfield is where the owner lives.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 8:54:53 GMT
OK and it says they carried out a restoration so maybe it has had works since being sold via Alan Pease. I got the impression it just been tidied up but of course it may have had considerable works as well.
Looking at the rudder it seems to be relatively straightforward to fit a metal tiller to it. Engine doesn't seem to be installed. As you say it needs some money throwing at it including probably a half tunnel to enable it to stop on the engine rather than strapping with a rope.
It would be a lovely boat for an "invisible horse" electric drive for slow parts of the cut and around locks. That would be really pleasant.
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Post by kris on Jun 9, 2018 8:59:07 GMT
OK and it says they carried out a restoration so maybe it has had works since being sold via Alan Pease. I got the impression it just been tidied up but of course it may have had considerable works as well. Looking at the rudder it seems to be relatively straightforward to fit a metal tiller to it. Engine doesn't seem to be installed. As you say it needs some money throwing at it including probably a half tunnel to enable it to stop on the engine rather than strapping with a rope. It would be a lovely boat for an "invisible horse" electric drive for slow parts of the cut and around locks. That would be really pleasant. Your talking yourself into it, if you go and have a look you will fall in love with the boat. So unless you want a beatiful old boat don't go and look.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 9:01:51 GMT
I think you have a point there. It is my "natural state" to exist on an old boat like that on a canal and river environment. At least its got steel cabin so its not a losing battle. It doesn't look like a boat which wants to be sitting still all the time on a mooring though. Looks like a boat which wants to be moving about.
Its a lovely boat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 9:17:06 GMT
The last section of steel cabin just above the side deck is just wide enough to cut loads of small round holes and put a load of portholes in, to save the hull
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Post by bargemast on Jun 9, 2018 9:20:40 GMT
That's interesting about the single handing. I always single hand my boats and intend to continue doing that in future so 15m or less is definitely sensible if there is a regulation and also it is slightly easier anyway. I really like the way P&A boats handle - they are a joy to steer. Its pretty local to my boating area (in Shepperton) so easy enough to go and have a look at it. Me too, I've always been on my own on my working barges as well, the main reason I gave up trading with my barge that I'd converted in a day trip barge was that they became stricter with checking on barges on the rivers where I was operating (mainly Yonne, Seine and Marne), and they wanted to oblige me to employ a deckhand.
Because the business wasn't going well enough, as I barely made enough money to maintain my barge and pay for all the fixed costs and taxes, I couldn't afford to pay for another crew-member, and sold the barge dirt cheap to a nasty group of people that employed me to run the boat for them in 1993.
This sale didn't work out, as they stopped paying the monthly payments after 6 months (it was a sale over a 5 year period), after that nothing but empty promisses for 4 months, and then I went back to my mooring in Sens, got into endless problems 5 months later as the declared to the police that I'd stolen a lot of equipment from them, which was a complete lie, but 4 French liars against 1 honest foreigner isn't an easy case to defend.
In '97 I sold the barge again even cheaper (no choice) to another dishonest business, but they at least did pay, and I worked for them for 6 months to train the guy that was going to take over from me as I didn't want to continue working for them.
If I would have had enough money for publicity while I was trying to work for myself, it could have been a succesful business, but as this was before the common use of internet, good publicity was much too expensive, and because of that I did some gigs that costed me more than I made doing it, but it could have been worth it.
One of these money losing gigs was the 2 days in Paris on the Seine for a video of the at the time very popular Lambada, after that I received quite a few possible similar things that I could have done there, but the rules for navigation in- and through Paris changed, and I needed a special permission to operate there, and also needed to get a powerful second engine installed, which was too expensive to do, so that was the end, too bad after all the work I'd done (such is life)
Peter.
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Post by kris on Jun 9, 2018 9:28:16 GMT
The last section of steel cabin just above the side deck is just wide enough to cut loads of small round holes and put a load of portholes in, to save the hull Yes the cabin top definately needs some portholes putting in it. Ps I've sent you a message
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Post by pluto on Jun 9, 2018 10:02:42 GMT
In the 1882-1910 vessels weighed at Castleford register, Waterways Archive BW91/7/1/16, Lake was measured in 1893, though this may be a re-measuring. The owner was the A&CN, and registered tonnage was 60 tons. Dimensions then were 60ft 6in long and 14ft 5in wide. Lake was certainly re-measured in 1908, with tonnage increased to 65, and width reduced to 14ft 4in, though there is no listing in the later registers, suggesting she went into the maintenance fleet around the time of the First World War. As I suggested previously, Lake was an A&CN boat, as were June, Pauline and Fair Maiden. I do have possible flyboat numbers for these from a list of flyboats from the time the A&CN fleet was sold off in 1920, though without a bit more research it is difficult to say specifically which one is which.
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Post by kris on Jun 9, 2018 10:07:27 GMT
Looks like you are going to have to measure the width then magnetman because it doesn't look like it can be 13'10" wide.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 10:43:43 GMT
Thanks Pluto. That's a bit on the limit for the southern GU. Ok on the regents but as part of my standard area includes Han well flight I think anything over 14ft is going to be rather dodgy.
The seller was fast to alter the beam when I mentioned the Alan Pease advert however the Alan Pease advert could have been incorrect (deliberately) as they have disclaimers to cover incorrect information anyway.
A boat advertised as 13'10 is obviously going to at attract a larger number of potential buyers.
Looks like it might need to stay on northern waterways to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 10:53:15 GMT
Its a long way to go just to put an ultrasonic measure on the inside of the hull and find the internal width is 14ft. Add a couple of inches for rubbing strakes etc.
I bet thats what would happen. Seems to be unlikely it would have got 6 inches narrower since the official measurements.
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