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Post by waldamar on Aug 13, 2018 11:13:24 GMT
Well it seems the seller is in London but the boat is in N Yorkshire. As it's an auction listing it's a bit frustrating as we have no idea of what the seller values it at.................... Funnily enough I was tempted by Lys Helig - not sure if she's been raised yet, Interesting how many keep cropping up www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Historic-63-Steel-Motor-Yacht-1963/163193844124
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Post by JohnV on Aug 13, 2018 11:32:07 GMT
The "Lys Helig" was a beautiful boat, where her berth is and the direction she toppled will make the recovery difficult and probably expensive. There is no real shore access for heavy equipment and the berth to the side where her accomodation points is very heavily silted and I suspect would be a problem to get a medium sized crane barge there and I am not sure if there is sufficient water to get a big crane barge there. probably the best bet is sealing up and flushing out the tons of mud that will have accumulated by now. Because of her historic importance there might be a possibility (slight) of funding and that is probably her only hope .... I think the recovery then restoration is probably beyond one persons ability ........ unless they have just won the Euromillions lottery
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 12:04:20 GMT
Comparing original photos of the Lys Helig with the boat at Burnham on Crouch (I had a fairly close look at it) I don't think its the same boat.
LH was 1920s thorneycroft I believe whereas that boat looked to me rather more recent something like 60s or 70s. It did not have the "feel" of a classic boat when I stood on the promenade in front of it. Could be wrong and as always happy to be corrected.
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Post by waldamar on Aug 13, 2018 12:34:37 GMT
My assumption was that she'd had a more modern superstructure added in the '50s or 60's as the hull seems right - no evidence to back this up though. I agree, flush her, seal on the "low" side, wait for a monster tide and pray!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 12:43:50 GMT
And the stem must have been altered. The original photos show a more or less vertical stem whereas the boat at Burnham had a fairly noticeably raked stem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 12:50:12 GMT
Using illegally sourced photos the stern looks quite diffwrent as well. I don't think that boat is the one at Burnham. The Burnham one does not have the grace it looks like a more modern generic "superyacht". Google image search shows a picture of the stern of the boat at Burnham (photo bucket so not displayable here) it is definitely not a 1920s canoe stern which Llys Helig had. If its the same boat it has been very heavily modified - possible I suppose.
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Post by waldamar on Aug 13, 2018 13:09:16 GMT
If she is the same then I agree - a lot of mods done, so probably not Helig. IIRC the original ebay listing gave very little info and the [pre-sinking] interior pictures showed she'd been gutted for h/boat conversion so probably no clues left there either. It always amazes me that so many such vessels have lost so much of their history. Some are lucky though.............. when I moved to Pin Mill in 1988 I could have bought this www.sandemanyachtcompany.co.uk/yacht/407/william-fife-iii-19-metre-gaff-cutter-1911For 5 grand!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 13:34:19 GMT
Wow !
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Post by JohnV on Aug 13, 2018 13:49:16 GMT
Wow indeed !!!
Andrew, looking at those photos I must agree with you. I did think when I saw her (pre sinking) as being 60's, certainly in my head at the time I never thought her as 20's. I just took the articles and claims at face value. I think you are right, the hull lines are the clincher, superstructures get changed all the time but the look of the hull generally stays much the same
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 11:19:58 GMT
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Post by JohnV on Aug 14, 2018 11:25:51 GMT
they are very long lived but that one looks quite a bit worse for wear and repairing is not simple
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Post by JohnV on Aug 14, 2018 11:30:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 11:35:20 GMT
Wow indeed !!! Andrew, looking at those photos I must agree with you. I did think when I saw her (pre sinking) as being 60's, certainly in my head at the time I never thought her as 20's. I just took the articles and claims at face value. I think you are right, the hull lines are the clincher, superstructures get changed all the time but the look of the hull generally stays much the same the Burnham boat on its side was bought last may apparently for £15k by canary wharf group MD Howard Dawber who believes it is a Thorneycroft boat from 1922... Interesting to see what happens there !! I don't use twatter but these came up after some google digging mobile.twitter.com/howarddawbermobile.twitter.com/llyshelig?lang=en
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 11:43:15 GMT
Possible rebuilt back end ?? I still think its a different vessel. I suppose if it had a major collision the bows may have been rebuilt as well but it all seems a bit far fetched and too different from the original rather beautiful vessel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 11:45:20 GMT
Nice bit of firewood just in time for winter.
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