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Post by kris on Nov 9, 2018 17:54:17 GMT
4mm steel. Hmm. How do insurance companies deal with thin steel sea boats? I believe, but do not know for sure as I only have 3rd party insurance, that for canal boats 4mm is seen as a minimum which is why one sees masses of older narrow boats with unnecessary over plating. I guess it must be different for sea boats. Yes it is different.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 17:55:49 GMT
Maybe they hit it with a smaller hammer ?
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Post by Jim on Nov 10, 2018 8:16:29 GMT
Tim and Pru don't go to sea?
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Post by kris on Nov 10, 2018 8:18:46 GMT
Maybe they hit it with a smaller hammer ? I think your forgetting the framing.
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Post by bargemast on Nov 10, 2018 12:48:43 GMT
Maybe they hit it with a smaller hammer ? I think your forgetting the framing. Of course good strong framing with little spacing between the ribs will make a huge difference in the required (for strenght) plate thickness. In 2002 I went to Berlin to look at a lovely shaped passengerboat that I was interested in to buy. The boat was in a spotless condition not showing her then 53 years of age anywhere, she had all her certificats up to date. But looking at the perfect hull report showed a plate thickness of only 3mm, which worked out to be the thickness of the plates this boat was built with 53 years before, that hadn't rusted or pitted anywhere. Sadly enough the French authorities wouldn't accept a boat as thin as that, so I didn't buy, and left her there feeling very sad. Peter.
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Post by kris on Nov 10, 2018 12:53:21 GMT
I think your forgetting the framing. Of course good strong framing with little spacing between the ribs will make a huge difference in the required (for strenght) plate thickness. In 2002 I went to Berlin to look at a lovely shaped passengerboat that I was interested in to buy. The boat was in a spotless condition not showing her then 53 years of age anywhere, she had all her certificats up to date. But looking at the perfect hull report showed a plate thickness of only 3mm, which worked out to be the thickness of the plates this boat was built with 53 years before, that hadn't rusted or pitted anywhere. Sadly enough the French authorities wouldn't accept a boat as thin as that, so I didn't buy, and left her there feeling very sad. Peter. I t does seem a bit ingrained with boaters and authority's nowadays, but there are plenty of sailing vessels built with 4mm plates. If the framing is the right distance apart and the boat is maintained correctly. Most sailing boats are supposed to be antifouled on a yearly basis, then there really is no problem with 4mm thick plates.
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Post by bargemast on Nov 10, 2018 13:01:38 GMT
Of course good strong framing with little spacing between the ribs will make a huge difference in the required (for strenght) plate thickness. In 2002 I went to Berlin to look at a lovely shaped passengerboat that I was interested in to buy. The boat was in a spotless condition not showing her then 53 years of age anywhere, she had all her certificats up to date. But looking at the perfect hull report showed a plate thickness of only 3mm, which worked out to be the thickness of the plates this boat was built with 53 years before, that hadn't rusted or pitted anywhere. Sadly enough the French authorities wouldn't accept a boat as thin as that, so I didn't buy, and left her there feeling very sad. Peter. I t does seem a bit ingrained with boaters and authority's nowadays, but there are plenty of sailing vessels built with 4mm plates. If the framing is the right distance apart and the boat is maintained correctly. Most sailing boats are supposed to be antifouled on a yearly basis, then there really is no problem with 4mm thick plates. It wouldn't be a problem for me, if the boat was well maintained, and in this boats case it's on the dry, and almost new, so very easy to check out everywhere inside and out, I can't see any risk and think that it would be a bargain buy. Peter.
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Post by kris on Nov 10, 2018 13:07:27 GMT
I t does seem a bit ingrained with boaters and authority's nowadays, but there are plenty of sailing vessels built with 4mm plates. If the framing is the right distance apart and the boat is maintained correctly. Most sailing boats are supposed to be antifouled on a yearly basis, then there really is no problem with 4mm thick plates. It wouldn't be a problem for me, if the boat was well maintained, and in this boats case it's on the dry, and almost new, so very easy to check out everywhere inside and out, I can't see any risk and think that it would be a bargain buy. Peter. I think this boat is a bargain as well. I like Tom Colvins designs, so it's a well designed boat. As I said if it was fitted with a junk rig it would be ideal for me. Unfortunately I have a boat and no money,(the two are connected.) so I won't be buying the boat. But I think it's a good buy for someone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 18:04:58 GMT
Yes I know that thinner plating is acceptable on this kind of boat There is something funny going on with that particular boat. Either there is no market for it despite all the furriners setting sail from british shores because of wreckxit or there is something wrong with the integrity of the vessel. I wonder who welded it up and when and how well.
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Post by kris on Nov 10, 2018 18:10:50 GMT
Yes I know that thinner plating is acceptable on this kind of boat There is something funny going on with that particular boat. Either there is no market for it despite all the furriners setting sail from british shores because of wreckxit or there is something wrong with the integrity of the vessel. I wonder who welded it up and when and how well. Amazing how you can survey a boat from a few photos on the Internet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 18:55:21 GMT
I have many and varied talents.
Like I said there may not be a market for this type of boat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 21:18:23 GMT
It wouldn't be a problem for me, if the boat was well maintained, and in this boats case it's on the dry, and almost new, so very easy to check out everywhere inside and out, I can't see any risk and think that it would be a bargain buy. Peter. I think this boat is a bargain as well. I like Tom Colvins designs, so it's a well designed boat. As I said if it was fitted with a junk rig it would be ideal for me. Unfortunately I have a boat and no money,(the two are connected.) so I won't be buying the boat. But I think it's a good buy for someone. If everybody was honest with themselves they'd all have junk rigs, they loose a little to windward but are excellent in most other areas. www.pbo.co.uk/seamanship/bermudan-rig-vs-junk-rig-17481They are particularly good for a single handed sailor - as my Grandad most often was (a clutch of grandchildren as occasional crew don't count) I wonder what became of Merdaka mouse ?
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Post by kris on Nov 10, 2018 21:34:55 GMT
It's having an unstayed mast without all the tension in the standing rigging that I really like. About junk rigs. Well that and you could put one together without ever going nto a chandlers.
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Post by bargemast on Nov 10, 2018 22:03:58 GMT
It's having an unstayed mast without all the tension in the standing rigging that I really like. About junk rigs. Well that and you could put one together without ever going nto a chandlers. Like "Badger" the 34' sailing Dory, Annie Hills boat that she wrote about in her excellent book "Voyaging on a small income". Peter.
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Post by kris on Nov 10, 2018 22:04:54 GMT
It's having an unstayed mast without all the tension in the standing rigging that I really like. About junk rigs. Well that and you could put one together without ever going nto a chandlers. Like "Badger" the 34' sailing Dory, Annie Hills boat that she wrote about in her excellent book "Voyaging on a small income". Peter. Exactly
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