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Post by bargemast on Dec 6, 2018 8:30:57 GMT
That really is a very pleasant and lovely looking little yacht.
Being able to see the world on a very low budget and only a small investment to buy this boat would have been very tempting 40 years ago.
At the moment I think that it's easier and safer too (at least for me) to stay on the inland waterways.
Peter.
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Post by kris on Dec 10, 2018 18:33:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 19:00:45 GMT
That IS nice!!! I usually look at the barges regularly on AD but had not noticed that. Really nice boat. I sometimes think about what the ideal boat would be if I had quarter of a million to spend on a new barge. I must say that it would probably come out pretty similar to that as I really like Thames barges but would not want to own one. Maybe without the sails. Nice size. Nice looking boat. Not new (which is an advantage in my opinion) but also not old. Eta looking at the picture I wonder what the forward visibility from the helm is like. The bows look a bit over the top. This sometimes happens with replicas. Might be okay but a little bit of a concern. Thames barges do have nice large bows with plenty of buoyancy but they aren't raked anything like that much. Also if it is a "half size" replica then the beam should be around 9~10ft. Obviously the 12ft beam was chosen to maximise accommodation. However at 2 gallons an hour and red on the way out due to the UK remaining in the EU I think I'll stick to inland boating at a litre an hour!! I suppose the sail would help but that all looks rather troublesome and complicated. Even a gallon an hour at the white rate is going to end up being about £7 an hour fuel costs so quite rude.
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Post by kris on Dec 10, 2018 19:08:02 GMT
I think the price is a bit steep, but it is an a nice boat. As you say it's got a lot going for it.
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Post by kris on Dec 10, 2018 19:38:54 GMT
As for the fuel consumption, put a gardner 4lw in it that will be more economical.
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Post by peterboat on Dec 10, 2018 20:15:30 GMT
not a "for sale" as far as I know but spotted this interesting old barge near Lincoln .... no name on her unfortunately SAM_2097 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_2096 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Its in Waddingtons blue and Vic at one point bought anything that floated if it came up for sale, though normally the wheelhouses are normally shit brown
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Post by bargemast on Dec 10, 2018 20:33:37 GMT
As for the fuel consumption, put a gardner 4lw in it that will be more economical. That really is a lovely looking boat, the Ford engine is a very good engine, also a very easy engine to get parts for if you need them. The fuel consumption difference between A Gardner 4LW and this Ford won't be much different, if you remember that the fuel consumption is based on a number of gramms per HP that you want from your engine. Depending on the revs the Gardner is governed to, it will be giving something of around 60HP, and if you let the Ford rev a bit slower so that instead of it's max 90HP's it will give only 60HP, the fuel use difference won't be much at all. In the following link is an explanation about fuel consumption : barringtondieselclub.co.za/technical/fuel-consumption.htmlPeter.
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Post by kris on Dec 10, 2018 20:39:48 GMT
As for the fuel consumption, put a gardner 4lw in it that will be more economical. That really is a lovely looking boat, the Ford engine is a very good engine, also a very easy engine to get parts for if you need them. The fuel consumption difference between A Gardner 4LW and this Ford won't be much different, if you remember that the fuel consumption is based on a number of gramms per HP that you want from your engine. Depending on the revs the Gardner is governed to, it will be giving something of around 60HP, and if you let the Ford rev a bit slower so that instead of it's max 90HP's it will give only 60HP, the fuel use difference won't be much at all. In the following link is an explanation about fuel consumption : barringtondieselclub.co.za/technical/fuel-consumption.htmlPeter. I was kind of pulling magnetmans leg Peter. I too quite like the ford d series engines having had one myself. Parts are quite cheap as well. Although they are a little smoky. There are quite a few different varieties of it. Although I'd much prefere a gardner.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 10, 2018 20:44:29 GMT
That really is a lovely looking boat, the Ford engine is a very good engine, also a very easy engine to get parts for if you need them. The fuel consumption difference between A Gardner 4LW and this Ford won't be much different, if you remember that the fuel consumption is based on a number of gramms per HP that you want from your engine. Depending on the revs the Gardner is governed to, it will be giving something of around 60HP, and if you let the Ford rev a bit slower so that instead of it's max 90HP's it will give only 60HP, the fuel use difference won't be much at all. In the following link is an explanation about fuel consumption : barringtondieselclub.co.za/technical/fuel-consumption.htmlPeter. I was kind of pulling magnetmans leg Peter. I too quite like the ford d series engines having had one myself. Parts are quite cheap as well. Although they are a little smoky. There are quite a few different varieties of it. Although I'd much prefere a gardner. If I would have a choice between 2 engines that are both in good condition, around the same HP's and price, and 1 is a Gardner and the other a Ford, I'll have the Gardner too, as they are beautifully made engines, masterpieces of what English engineering used to be. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 20:54:51 GMT
Yes fuel consumption is fairly standard for diesel engines. The beta 90 (Kubota 3800 non turbo 90hp@2600rpm) which I put in my barge in 2011 to replace a badly damaged Perkins M90 will apparently use 18 litres per hour at full power .
Obviously a lot less at lower speeds.
I'm not sure how people decide on the figure to put in the fuel consumption section of boat adverts.
Anyway yes the ford is a good unit and spares are widely available which is a good thing specially if traveling abroad.
The main thing (other than the fact it has some rags on sticks) which has an effect on fuel use is the hull shape. It would be nice to see an out of water picture of the Thames barge replica.
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Post by kris on Dec 10, 2018 20:57:23 GMT
I was kind of pulling magnetmans leg Peter. I too quite like the ford d series engines having had one myself. Parts are quite cheap as well. Although they are a little smoky. There are quite a few different varieties of it. Although I'd much prefere a gardner. If I would have a choice between 2 engines that are both in good condition, around the same HP's and price, and 1 is a Gardner and the other a Ford, I'll have the Gardner too, as they are beautifully made engines, masterpieces of what English engineering used to be. Peter. yes I will put one in my boat one day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 21:08:14 GMT
The Rolls Royce of marine engines. Except that Rolls Royce made diesel engines which do not have a specially good reputation. Maybe Rollers were the Gardner of cars
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Post by kris on Dec 10, 2018 21:16:45 GMT
The Rolls Royce of marine engines. Except that Rolls Royce made diesel engines which do not have a specially good reputation. Maybe Rollers were the Gardner of cars I know someone with a gardner in a vintage Rolls Royce
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 21:19:58 GMT
Is he chuffed to bits ?
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Post by kris on Dec 10, 2018 21:30:05 GMT
I don't think so, but definately happy.
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