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Post by bargemast on Dec 22, 2018 13:35:01 GMT
I bow to your superior knowledge as always. I just think the bollards are better than most English barges. Of course I have never handled a barge with dual bollards so I wouldn't know about spacing. All my boating requiring use of bollards is on the Thames where I always control the ropes from the lockside due to being single handed and the bye law requirement to secure bow and stern lines. Note secure not slip round a bollard. I usually tie one end off and slip the other end line around the lock side bollard. Obviously the lines have to be adjusted. Totally different on the continent as I understand it. I suppose my technique may be a bit odd but I've always done it like that with all my boats including narrow boats and my barge. I prefer to be on the lock side. I'm most unhappy, I just wrote a long message with lots of information that I'm not going to write again, and when clicking on posting I got the message that the site wasn't available at the moment, and lost everything, as it didn't come back clicking the return button So now I only post the link to a video that sadly only has a commentary in Dutch, but it's still ea sy enough to understand (for me ), it may be a bit too long if you're limited in data availability, but it start being very interesting from10:00 onwards, where you can see how the barge is going through the Freycinet locks, and how much it's lifted up when entering an empty lock, as there's very little space between the bottom of the barge and the bottom of the lock, the barge is lifted up by the water that has to give space for the barge an that tries to get out from underneath.
You can cleary see how the barge is stopped off very close to the gates, and a second rope on the other side is used to stop the barge form moving back, that way the ropes can both be ajusted as necessary from the bow.
After having watched this video, you will understand that it would be impossible to do this from the lock side.
Many of my friends, and myself too, used to do this always single handed, going down you should never forget to turn the rudder 180° to prevent it from the cill.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 13:40:22 GMT
Its another world To be fair I have always done pleasure boating on pleasure waterways. Another difference on the Thames is that you must switch engines off in locks so its not allowed to use the engine to hold the boat against the bow line or anything like that.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 22, 2018 13:46:23 GMT
Its another world To be fair I have always done pleasure boating on pleasure waterways. Another difference on the Thames is that you must switch engines off in locks so its not allowed to use the engine to hold the boat against the bow line or anything like that. In this video there's no engine holding the barge against the bow line (spring in this case), it's hold in a safe position during the locking procedure only by the 2 ropes. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 14:12:44 GMT
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Post by bargemast on Dec 22, 2018 14:17:33 GMT
I've watched the video of "DB Elisabeth" again, and discovered that the English spits "Noëlle" that is a bed and breakfast barge in Londen, of which I posted a few photos a while ago when they visited the river here, was participating in this celebration cruise too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 14:26:15 GMT
I find it slightly mysterious that the db Elisabeth does not seem to have an identifiable builder / fabricator. Just says built in Nottingham then abandoned. I could understand this with an old bodge but this is a pretty recent boat and appears to be well put together.
Odd.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 22, 2018 15:07:35 GMT
I find it slightly mysterious that the db Elisabeth does not seem to have an identifiable builder / fabricator. Just says built in Nottingham then abandoned. I could understand this with an old bodge but this is a pretty recent boat and appears to be well put together. Odd. As you say, it's odd, who would abandon a brand new build barge for 6 years just like that, unless it's builder passed away, or became disabled If I'd known about it, it could have been mine now, as I'm sure that it was expensive after these 6 years. The actual owner wants £ 175.000 for it, which is give or take about £ 172.500 more than I can come up with. I don't think that that would be enough to get in touch with the seller and satrt the negotiations somehow . Peter.
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Post by kris on Dec 22, 2018 15:46:22 GMT
Wasn't there some issue with a boat builder going bust around Nottingham a few years ago? It might explain the situation with this barge.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 22, 2018 15:58:03 GMT
Wasn't there some issue with a boat builder going bust around Nottingham a few years ago? It might explain the situation with this barge. That is a possibility, altough I've never seen a similar barge around, it looks like a "one off", while boatbuilders normally build more boats/barges of a certain type. Unless they got bust while building their prototype, which is also a possibility. They certainly did manage to create a pretty lined barge. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 16:15:35 GMT
I have mentioned db Elisabeth on this thread before. It was for sale about 3 years ago for £150k.
Its an interesting theory that perhaps it was an individual with real talent who built it and then died or something. It seems more like a yard built boat but perhaps those strips of steel by the bow thruster motor are a clue to an "amateur" construction.
Another obvious point is that a boat built after 1998 should in theory have some sort of identification number for the Recreational Craft Directive.
It seems somewhat strange that they can identify the year it was built.
Its a very nice boat but I still think the bows are too high and it would be uncomfortable to steer it due to lack of visibility.
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Post by airedaleman on Dec 22, 2018 16:35:42 GMT
Peter I think the bow of this Elizabeth is a copy of the hotel barge Elizabeth that is a luxe motor. Quite agree about the importance of the twin bollards, I can’t understand why the replica builders put 2 small bollards with a link bar between them which makes them useless as separate bollards. There is a new boat being built at Braunston which is obviously intended for the continent which has small bollards on the back corners and the front ones below the bow breakwater with the rope intended to be taken through a hole, madness. Merry Christmas. David
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Post by bargemast on Dec 22, 2018 16:53:01 GMT
Peter I think the bow of this Elizabeth is a copy of the hotel barge Elizabeth that is a luxe motor. Quite agree about the importance of the twin bollards, I can’t understand why the replica builders put 2 small bollards with a link bar between them which makes them useless as separate bollards. There is a new boat being built at Braunston which is obviously intended for the continent which has small bollards on the back corners and the front ones below the bow breakwater with the rope intended to be taken through a hole, madness. Merry Christmas. David Hi David, I suppose that you were thinking of the Luxemotor hotel-barge "Elisabeth" that used to belong to Peter and Geena Jenner who sold their barge 2 years ago. www.hotelbargeelisabeth.com/The problem with many of these boatbuilders is that they've rarely done any boating themselfs anywhere else but in the UK. An exception is Simon Piper who has had several of his barges overhere and used them to holiday on with his wife, until someone would ask them where their beautiful barge was built and who built it, which almost always led to either selling them that barge or building another one for them. Because of that the bollards on his later boats where in better positions, and no more ropes to be taken through the stupid little holes in the bow breakwaters anymore, and also the addition of intermediar bollard, and that only because he found out that these changes were needed. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 16:57:49 GMT
If its Braunston isn't it more likely to be a Peter Nicholls boat? The FCN was quite a nice barge a bit odd to look at but cat B which is handy. Some of the cheaper ones seem a bit tinny.
I've not been to Braunston for ages and I know there are other fabricators there anyway.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 22, 2018 16:57:52 GMT
I have mentioned db Elisabeth on this thread before. It was for sale about 3 years ago for £150k. Its an interesting theory that perhaps it was an individual with real talent who built it and then died or something. It seems more like a yard built boat but perhaps those strips of steel by the bow thruster motor are a clue to an "amateur" construction. Another obvious point is that a boat built after 1998 should in theory have some sort of identification number for the Recreational Craft Directive. It seems somewhat strange that they can identify the year it was built. Its a very nice boat but I still think the bows are too high and it would be uncomfortable to steer it due to lack of visibility. Because you insist on this idea without having experienced it yourself, to maybe find out that there is no problem, I repeat what I wrote before : There were plenty of Luxemotors with fairly high bows, so before you start taking it all down, go for a cruise on this barge and see what it's like to see, and how bad the visibility is for real, there's a chance that you'll be surprised.
Overhere the law is that you have to be able to see the water 150meters in front of the bows, but most barges with "bad" visibility have one (or more) camera's to help with the visibility. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 17:00:00 GMT
I saw what you wrote Peter. There is no such law in Englandland I think that's why this boat is still in the UK. Eta as far as I know that law says you may not use mirrors or cameras to circumvent the requirement and you are not allowed to stand on a moveable item such as a chair or stool. Obviously you can have visibility aids as well but not as a way to meet the requirement. Its a line of sight rule. Could be wrong happy to be corrected as always. Surely it also depends on how tall you are. I'm quite tall at 6'2.5" so might be OK but this photo makes me think its a problem. "I can't see shit-can you?". Anyway I can't afford the boat either but I still like discussing these things.
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