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Post by bargemast on Dec 22, 2018 17:29:34 GMT
I saw what you wrote Peter. There is no such law in Englandland I think that's why this boat is still in the UK. Eta as far as I know that law says you may not use mirrors or cameras to circumvent the requirement and you are not allowed to stand on a moveable item such as a chair or stool. Obviously you can have visibility aids as well but not as a way to meet the requirement. Its a line of sight rule. Could be wrong happy to be corrected as always. Surely it also depends on how tall you are. I'm quite tall at 6'2.5" so might be OK but this photo makes me think its a problem. "I can't see shit-can you?". Anyway I can't afford the boat either but I still like discussing these things. that law says you may not use mirrors or cameras to circumvent the requirement and you are not allowed to stand on a moveable item such as a chair or stool
Do you happen to have the text of that law lying around somewhere, as I would be interested to read what is written in that law. This is what I found in the CEVNI rules for the Inland Waterways Article 1.07 – Maximum load, maximum number of passengers and view 1. Vessels shall not be loaded beyond their maximum draught markings. 2. The load or the list of the vessel shall not restrict the direct view at a distance of more than 350 m in front of the vessel. If direct visibility astern and aside is restricted during the voyage, this lack of visibility may be compensated for by the use of radar apparatus. 3. The load shall not endanger the vessel’s stability or strength of the hull. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 17:41:55 GMT
I may have imagined it but I think it was in the RCD. Obviously this is a fairly recent thing so may not apply to older vessels.
As I said I am always happy to be corrected on these things.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 22, 2018 17:46:55 GMT
I may have imagined it but I think it was in the RCD. Obviously this is a fairly recent thing so may not apply to older vessels. As I said I am always happy to be corrected on these things. Steering from the turret of a submarine will give you good visibility forward. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 17:54:43 GMT
Yes I must have imagined it. Being quite a simple type of person I find it useful to be able to see where you are going when steering a boat. Other people will have different requirements and priorities.
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Post by airedaleman on Dec 22, 2018 18:46:39 GMT
With regard to the Braunston boat I’m not sure who’s actually building it. It’s outside Nichols so most likely him. It’s been on the go for at least 2 years and has been built in sections and then brought out of the shed and put together under a temporary roof. It’s now complete and looks finished outside . It certainly has the Nichols squared off stern presumably modeled on some of the Thames sailing barges. Next time I’m down there I’ll take a photo.
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Post by kris on Dec 22, 2018 19:11:17 GMT
Yes I must have imagined it. Being quite a simple type of person I find it useful to be able to see where you are going when steering a boat. Other people will have different requirements and priorities. Can you see the road directly in front of your Volvo? Or can you see the road a little bit ahead?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 19:12:36 GMT
I wonder if its a boat built to the clients "design". This always intrigues me. Obviously if someone is giving you money it would be bad business to turn them away. However I would suggest the majority of boaters, regardless of their boating experience, would not be able to put together the plans for a proper boat. Its happened plenty of times with canal boats and can result in some interesting vessels but would a builder with a reputation do this? Bollards in a silly location sounds a bit like an amateur design unless its just cost saving on a cheaper shell than the standard. Photos will be interesting
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 19:16:00 GMT
Yes I must have imagined it. Being quite a simple type of person I find it useful to be able to see where you are going when steering a boat. Other people will have different requirements and priorities. Can you see the road directly in front of your Volvo? Or can you see the road a little bit ahead? Volvo? How very dare you suggest I am a Volvo driver ! I'm talking about the barge. Did you look at the photo I added earlier? Its okay I have a similar sized modern barge but the difference is I can see what is happening in front of it. Obviously there is a distance involved but I find the distance with the db Elisabeth to be too long. Personally.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 19:19:41 GMT
kris here is that picture. Surely I am not alone in being concerned about the visibility? Specially as there is a seat there which implies steering the vessel while sitting down. I'd be standing but its still going to be a serious problem. maybe if there was room for 3 ton of coal in a locker up the front it would be better. Eta Saab not Volvo
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Post by kris on Dec 22, 2018 19:29:33 GMT
I knew it was one of those Scandinavian cars you drive, but the point is you don't usually see the road right In front of the car, but a little way ahead. I did see the photo you posted yes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 19:44:00 GMT
Well yes. In a car its about 10ft but I don't really understand the reference to cars.
Or are you suggesting some sort of mathematical correlation between the speed of travel and visibility?
It seems to me that in the boat under discussion there is quite a large part of the forward view which is completely obstructed.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 22, 2018 21:37:12 GMT
kris here is that picture. Surely I am not alone in being concerned about the visibility? Specially as there is a seat there which implies steering the vessel while sitting down. I'd be standing but its still going to be a serious problem. maybe if there was room for 3 ton of coal in a locker up the front it would be better. Eta Saab not Volvo That seat probably shows that the owner feels confident enough to steer the boat while being seated, which means that he has no problem with the visibility. If this would be your boat, you can steer while standing up, if that makes you feel more confortable, or if you're a windsurfer, as they do it standing up On the older Dutch working barges I owned I was steering standing up all day, but only because the steering was heavy with not enough reduction in the steering winches. On the 38 meter barges I had I was only steering standing up for tight manoeuvring, like when approaching canal locks and entering them, for the rest I was always sitting down comfortably, as steering was light with 26 to 30 turns of the wheel lock to lock to get the 180° I needed. On the small tankerbarge with it's hydraulic steering, I would only stand up and get out of the wheelhouse once I was next to a bollard to tie on to, being in a lock, at a quay or alongside another barge, and with a visibility one can only dream of . Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 22, 2018 21:43:41 GMT
If its Braunston isn't it more likely to be a Peter Nicholls boat? The FCN was quite a nice barge a bit odd to look at but cat B which is handy. Some of the cheaper ones seem a bit tinny. I've not been to Braunston for ages and I know there are other fabricators there anyway. The FCN barges and the Huflers aren't Peter Nicholls designs, he only builds them, they were designed by Tony Tucker. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 4:52:45 GMT
If its Braunston isn't it more likely to be a Peter Nicholls boat? The FCN was quite a nice barge a bit odd to look at but cat B which is handy. Some of the cheaper ones seem a bit tinny. I've not been to Braunston for ages and I know there are other fabricators there anyway. The FCN barges and the Huflers aren't Peter Nicholls designs, he only builds them, they were designed by Tony Tucker. Peter. Do other yards build the FCN barges?
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Post by bargemast on Dec 23, 2018 11:35:43 GMT
The FCN barges and the Huflers aren't Peter Nicholls designs, he only builds them, they were designed by Tony Tucker. Peter. Do other yards build the FCN barges? Quite possible, but I don't know the answer. If you want to know it, then Tony Tucker should be able to tell you to which yards he sold his building plans. Peter.
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