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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 15:48:50 GMT
Fair point. And the dickhead rowers know that. So at the end of the day if I steer my barge up the right hand side of the channel they -will- get out of the way.
This topic came up about 4 years ago when a charity luxe motor on the Thames (thames venturer previously called richmond venturer) was coming down stream and I was moored on the outside of a slight bend in the river on an environment agency mooring with piling and bollards and a mooring notice. The skipper (who is a dyed in the wool idiot I know this because lock keepers have told me) sounded the ships whistle because a small grp was coming up on the wrong side. Little seamaster I think it was. The skipper of the luxe motor (quite a big one I think its about 90ft x15 or something) altered his course to starboard and came within a few feet of whacking my barge. Really close. Idiot.
I've also had a rope snapped in a lock cut by him racing into a full lock only to put the engine in astern and flood the locksides.
I phoned the office for the charity who run the boat she said "its a bit boat it may have looked closer than it was". No. The boat almost hit me. Plenty of river not a restricted channel and he was going some.
Anyway if it had been me I would have held course and the little sea master would have got out of the way.
I suspect with the dickhead rowers there is something going on firstly with entitlement in general probably from childhood and secondly the mistaken belief that power gives way to unpowered is a sustainable option if you are going down blatantly the wrong side of the river in a small vessel with dickhead oars sticking out in an unreasonable way.
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Post by kris on Dec 23, 2018 16:02:50 GMT
Anyway if it had been me I would have held course and the little sea master would have got out of the way. On a narrow waterway holding your course is the best option, obviously I slow down as much as possible whilst keeping steerage. But if I start swerving to avoid small unpowered craft, it's going to go pear shaped very quickly. I've also had problems with "charity" boats well one in particular that used to be a right pain near skipton. Because of idiot skippers, apparently they can be trained by the other volunteers. So you can end up with the idiocies becoming more ingrained. Idiots training idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 16:10:59 GMT
I did wonder what was occurring as have discussed it with a couple of the lock keepers in the area and it seems to be a well known problem. Its quite dangerous to motor into a lock at about 3 knots in a 90ft barge then rev the shit out of it in reverse to stop it. Apart from being obviously low quality boat handling it is actually inviting accidents. Boat with disabled people on it. I guess they must have some heavyweight insurance if they allow this sort of thing to happen. Another of their boats which I actually really like (a modern inspection launch type vessel constructed in Cornwall) has received loads and loads of scratches down the hull side over the last year or two . I know you get scratches on the side of the hull but these ones are a real indicator of bad helmsmanship. Quite sad really. I suspect its a car driver mentality. Reverse = disc brakes. Sadly wrong. Anyway once I get paid I will go and have a look at db Elisabeth if still for sale and report back as to whether its any good its got a Gardner and a northern lights generator so it must be good.
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Post by kris on Dec 23, 2018 16:23:49 GMT
Anyway once I get paid I will go and have a look at db Elisabeth if still for sale and report back as to whether its any good its got a Gardner and a northern lights generator so it must be good. If it's got a Gardner it must be worth buying😃 So your seriously considering buying it then? Is this to do with your imminent move from London?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 16:54:57 GMT
Anyway once I get paid I will go and have a look at db Elisabeth if still for sale and report back as to whether its any good its got a Gardner and a northern lights generator so it must be good. If it's got a Gardner it must be worth buying😃 So your seriously considering buying it then? Is this to do with your imminent move from London? I have had my eye on it for a long time and always promised myself if I came into more money I would buy it as its very pleasing. If there is sensible forward visibility. I've got an idea that the forward visibility on that boat is slightly dodgy. Will have to check that . I wonder what RCD category it would come under bearing in mind it does not seem to have an RCD. B? Or more likely C I expect. I've seen a lot of modern barges and have to say that is the most pleasing one I have ever seen. Its great. Visibility seems a bit of a problem but as bargemast peter says its okay it may well be Eta I think the forward visibility from the helm is a problem and could reduce the value of the boat. Looking at the lines it could just be a ballast issue. On a boat which was apparently found as a shell on land a ballast problem seems quite likely so perhaps a few tonnes of gold in there up the front around the bow thruster motor would sort it out. Or lead.
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Post by kris on Dec 23, 2018 16:59:17 GMT
If it's got a Gardner it must be worth buying😃 So your seriously considering buying it then? Is this to do with your imminent move from London? I have had my eye on it for a long time and always promised myself if I came into more money I would buy it as its very pleasing. If there is sensible forward visibility. I've got an idea that the forward visibility on that boat is slightly dodgy. Will have to check that . I wonder what RCD category it would come under bearing in mind it does not seem to have an RCD. B? Or more likely C I expect. I've seen a lot of modern barges and have to say that is the most pleasing one I have ever seen. Its great. Visibility seems a bit of a problem but as bargemast peter says its okay it may well be You won't really know about the visability until you give it ago. The RCD situation might be good leverage for money off. If you find out which company built it I'll see if I can find anything out about them. There might be some chat locally. Life's short so make the most of it, if you like it buy it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 17:00:39 GMT
Got to wait to find out if the wicked stepmother put the old git father's will in the fire oops its bad to speak of the dead like that but he had a sense of humour would be giggling.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 23, 2018 17:52:34 GMT
If it's got a Gardner it must be worth buying😃 So your seriously considering buying it then? Is this to do with your imminent move from London? I have had my eye on it for a long time and always promised myself if I came into more money I would buy it as its very pleasing. If there is sensible forward visibility. I've got an idea that the forward visibility on that boat is slightly dodgy. Will have to check that . I wonder what RCD category it would come under bearing in mind it does not seem to have an RCD. B? Or more likely C I expect. I've seen a lot of modern barges and have to say that is the most pleasing one I have ever seen. Its great. Visibility seems a bit of a problem but as bargemast peter says its okay it may well be Eta I think the forward visibility from the helm is a problem and could reduce the value of the boat. Looking at the lines it could just be a ballast issue. On a boat which was apparently found as a shell on land a ballast problem seems quite likely so perhaps a few tonnes of gold in there up the front around the bow thruster motor would sort it out. Or lead. Getting older will make you forget certain things said- and done sometimes, like now, I don't remember having said that it was okay, I've said that you had to try it out for yourself before you would know about the visibility, at least that's what I seem to remember having said. If I had the money, I would be happy with a boat like that, but as I have two boats and no money left, that's out of the question, and there's not the slightest chance on touching anything of value of a family member that wrote me in his/her will, if they did, it would surely only be to give me a few old photos of long gone relatives. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 18:03:53 GMT
I agree with you its something which would need checking before making a judgment. I think its a stunning bit of steel work but a bit worried about the forward visibility from the helm position.
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Post by kris on Dec 23, 2018 18:11:49 GMT
I think its a stunning bit of steel work but a bit worried about the forward visibility from the helm position. I think we've understood that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 18:12:48 GMT
Plasma cutter on order.
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Post by kris on Dec 23, 2018 18:19:47 GMT
I've got one you can borrow just to cut the bow off.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 23, 2018 18:39:48 GMT
I agree with you its something which would need checking before making a judgment. I think its a stunning bit of steel work but a bit worried about the forward visibility from the helm position. If the visibility forward really is that bad, but apart from that it's exactly what you want, you could improve your skills of driving the boat in reverse instead of forwards if the visibility backwards is any better. In that case you may have to change the position of the nav-lights if you're going on evening or night cruises, or when the visibility is bad. The motto for safe navigation is always "See and be seen". Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 23, 2018 18:42:05 GMT
Is that to cut these quality bollards of the bow deck ? Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 19:07:54 GMT
Is that to cut these quality bollards of the bow deck ? Peter. No its to cut down the coamings around the foredeck. I wonder if its a ballast problem.
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