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Post by bargemast on Jan 24, 2019 11:31:22 GMT
I've done quite a bit of research on different Dutch working barges sites and they're talking about "Vriendschap" being 7m45 wide and it used to do regular trips from the Maas in the S-E point of the Netherlands with gravel to Amsterdam.
It was the very last barge that didn't have a VHF on board, which was obligatory, but because the bargee was deaf, he got away with it.
Here is a very short video at sea near Dunkerque when they were on their way to the UK under their own steam.
Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 24, 2019 11:36:44 GMT
The church barge at West India Quay in canary wharf (outside the docklands museum) is a Kempenaar. They had to cut a section out of it as it was too long to get to its present position. I've been in the wheelhouse. Was very impressed with the forward visibility on the boat. Amazing. Not so impressed by the manic god bothering. I did not get into the engine room but it came from Holland under its own power St Peters Barge Yes they needed good forward visibility and had to be able to see the tug or the barge in the tow in front of them at all times. They always had 2 stern anchors with heave winches, as that was the only way to be able to stop them when going downstream without hitting the tug. Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 24, 2019 11:52:22 GMT
Just found a line as an answer on a question about "Vriendschap", answered by someone that has written several books about Dutch working barges for ages his name is Harry de Groot, and I've copied what he said here :
De Vriendschap was echter geen kastje maar een Brusselaar van 46 X 7.15 en zal gebouwd zijn rond 1890.
Translated : The Vriendschap wasn't a kastje but a Brusselaar of 46 x 7.15 and would have been built around 1890.
As I believe Harry more than "Google maps measuring tool", I'll go for what he wrote here.
Peter.
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Post by kris on Jan 24, 2019 11:58:49 GMT
Just found a line as an answer on a question about "Vriendschap", answered by someone that has written several books about Dutch working barges for ages his name is Harry de Groot, and I've copied what he said here : De Vriendschap was echter geen kastje maar een Brusselaar van 46 X 7.15 en zal gebouwd zijn rond 1890. Translated : The Vriendschap wasn't a kastje but a Brusselaar of 46 x 7.15 and would have been built around 1890. As I believe Harry more than "Google maps measuring tool", I'll go for what he wrote here. Peter. do you know what engine it's got Peter ? If it was motorised after the war, I imagine it's a Detroit diesel.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 24, 2019 12:17:20 GMT
Just found a line as an answer on a question about "Vriendschap", answered by someone that has written several books about Dutch working barges for ages his name is Harry de Groot, and I've copied what he said here : De Vriendschap was echter geen kastje maar een Brusselaar van 46 X 7.15 en zal gebouwd zijn rond 1890. Translated : The Vriendschap wasn't a kastje but a Brusselaar of 46 x 7.15 and would have been built around 1890. As I believe Harry more than "Google maps measuring tool", I'll go for what he wrote here. Peter. do you know what engine it's got Peter ? If it was motorised after the war, I imagine it's a Detroit diesel. I'm sorry to say Kris that I have no idea about the engine that was installed in "Vriendschap". The GM Detroit diesels type 6/71 were the most popular for the motorisation of the 38m, and I've known bigger types of barges that had twin engine installations with the 6/71's of which most were done in Belgium at the time. For the time being, I haven't been able to find out anything about the engine of "Vriendschap", maybe Andrew should go there and find out more when he's doing one of his Thames explorations. Peter.
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Post by kris on Jan 24, 2019 12:26:32 GMT
Thanks a lot for the reply Peter. It's only curiosity anyway. I'm not planing to buy it .
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Post by JohnV on Jan 24, 2019 12:28:21 GMT
It was located here last time the Google spy sat took pictures. Edited as was not quite accurate. Just north of the MoT centre in this link Jenkins Lane, Barking IG11 0AD goo.gl/maps/m3Ewfthe original pictures posted look as if they were taken when she was moored near the banjo at the end of Abbey Rd. Looking at that area on google I find it almost unrecognisable from the place where I had Sabina H ashore 20 odd years ago. She was ahore at Hewetts quay www.google.co.uk/maps/place/51%C2%B031'59.9%22N+0%C2%B004'29.5%22E/@51.5333056,0.0743139,115m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d51.5332927!4d0.074857 which looked like this in those days img052 by mudlarker2, on Flickr
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 13:11:32 GMT
Just found a line as an answer on a question about "Vriendschap", answered by someone that has written several books about Dutch working barges for ages his name is Harry de Groot, and I've copied what he said here : De Vriendschap was echter geen kastje maar een Brusselaar van 46 X 7.15 en zal gebouwd zijn rond 1890. Translated : The Vriendschap wasn't a kastje but a Brusselaar of 46 x 7.15 and would have been built around 1890. As I believe Harry more than "Google maps measuring tool", I'll go for what he wrote here. Peter. That's interesting so it is neither 7.45m or 6.6m wide Seems interesting the word "was" is used as this implies it is no longer extant. Could it be another boat they are referring to?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 13:15:32 GMT
I've done quite a bit of research on different Dutch working barges sites and they're talking about "Vriendschap" being 7m45 wide and it used to do regular trips from the Maas in the S-E point of the Netherlands with gravel to Amsterdam. It was the very last barge that didn't have a VHF on board, which was obligatory, but because the bargee was deaf, he got away with it. Here is a very short video at sea near Dunkerque when they were on their way to the UK under their own steam. Peter. Seems a shame that 20 years on it has no rudders and the engine is "not working". I wonder where the rudders went.. must say I thought it had them on when I saw it last year beached in barking creek. I guess I must have imagined it seeing the mountings and not noting mentally the missing rudder blades.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 24, 2019 17:05:07 GMT
Just found a line as an answer on a question about "Vriendschap", answered by someone that has written several books about Dutch working barges for ages his name is Harry de Groot, and I've copied what he said here : De Vriendschap was echter geen kastje maar een Brusselaar van 46 X 7.15 en zal gebouwd zijn rond 1890. Translated : The Vriendschap wasn't a kastje but a Brusselaar of 46 x 7.15 and would have been built around 1890. As I believe Harry more than "Google maps measuring tool", I'll go for what he wrote here. Peter. That's interesting so it is neither 7.45m or 6.6m wide Seems interesting the word "was" is used as this implies it is no longer extant. Could it be another boat they are referring to?If you can afford it financially, you could have your name changed into "Thomas", as he was like you, didn't believe anything . What I wrote was the translation of an answer on a Dutch bargees forum where someone asked about this barge of the type kastje named "VRIENDSCHAP" , and the answer of Harry de Groot (someone who really knows what he writes) that it wasn't a "Kastje" but a "Brusselaar". Hope that will satisfy your disbelieve (for a bit), and it was/is definitely not another boat they're referring to. . Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 17:07:58 GMT
I guess the use of "was" refers to "when it was built". I definitely believe you and Mr de Groot btw but with no questions there would be no discussions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 17:09:02 GMT
Its very cheap to change your name in the UK. £36. I have actually been considering changing my surname for personal reasons.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 24, 2019 17:13:47 GMT
I guess the use of "was" refers to "when it was built". I definitely believe you and Mr de Groot btw but with no questions there would be no discussions. That's true, but there are questions, and ......questions . Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 24, 2019 17:17:18 GMT
Its very cheap to change your name in the UK. £36. I have actually been considering changing my surname for personal reasons. That's really dirt cheap, but you're only considering changing your surname ? A bit of a shame, as I would have thought that "Thomas" as a first name would quite suite you . What will cost a lot more than the £ 36 will be to get all your official papers changed with your new name too, and it may end up costing quite a lot more. Peter.
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Post by Jim on Jan 24, 2019 17:23:04 GMT
Its very cheap to change your name in the UK. £36. I have actually been considering changing my surname for personal reasons. Saxe Coberg Gothe is going spare.
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