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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 19:47:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 19:59:10 GMT
It's a nice boat.
I remember Frederick down at Richmond in the early 90s. Then moored below Godstow lock for a while. Went for about Β£5k then I saw it at Braunston having a big overplating job at the yard by the marina. A lot of overplating !
Gardner 6 in there with handle starting.
Last owner was Nick who bought it from Jim Mac who was not selling it at the time.
There is a video on YouTube of the engine being hand wound to get it going.
Lovely boat but one does wonder about the overplating.
Looks to have put it down in the water a bit and also when overplating you can cause real headaches for anyone who wants to try to get the boat back to how it was before.
And I was like "some people don't give a shit about original plating being pitted down to 3mm"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 20:04:31 GMT
The engine. We had this on here before and TonyDunkley was like "you don't want to do it like that !"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 9:20:03 GMT
Somewhere in the back of my brain tells me that Frederick Whittingham was a medical boat of some kind and the shape of the rear cabin was so that stretchers could be accommodated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 13:18:40 GMT
PLA health and safety boat I was told so that makes sense.
Apparently yarwoods built at least one other boat with the same hull but not sure where it went I think it might be somewhere abroad.
Very pretty boat that one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 13:46:42 GMT
The over-plating strategy has some clear pros and cons. I've sometimes wondered is there another way...in car restoration, the preferred method is to cut out the rot and weld in new steel. The obvious difference is the thickness of the material and thus a greater ease to mould it to a complex shape. Does this ever happen to old boats in preference to over-plating?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 14:14:37 GMT
PLA health and safety boat I was told so that makes sense. Apparently yarwoods built at least one other boat with the same hull but not sure where it went I think it might be somewhere abroad. Very pretty boat that one. What's the one that was at Jono's yard at the bottom of Braunston flight, just by the marina exit? maps.app.goo.gl/xz87jMpP98TjcZN48
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 15:28:17 GMT
Rennie. Ex river Wey grain traffic ?
That's been there a long time is it still there! Was there in 1994 when I did my first winter on a boat in the area.
ETA I see you said "was".
Sometimes I want a to get a narrow boat again and have a look around ..
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Post by JohnV on Nov 2, 2021 16:04:37 GMT
The over-plating strategy has some clear pros and cons. I've sometimes wondered is there another way...in car restoration, the preferred method is to cut out the rot and weld in new steel. The obvious difference is the thickness of the material and thus a greater ease to mould it to a complex shape. Does this ever happen to old boats in preference to over-plating? Yes is the simple answer, not often though because of the cost. Sabina was part doubled, part replated, part insert.
She was doubled along the waterline, there she had some very large very deep pits but was watertight. She was lapstrake with the waterline strake inset. this meant that the doubler sat inbetween the top and bottom strake and was continuously welded top and bottom. because that filled in the inset it just looks as if she was carvel. Almost all the other sections were replated or if the damage was localised, an insert.
On big old barges another big advantage of doubling which is often a disadvantage on a modern narrow boat is the weight.
If Sabina had been doubled along the bottom with 20mm plate that would have taken her down about 3 inches and I would be able to get under Heck Bridge
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 16:09:45 GMT
Rennie. Ex river Wey grain traffic ? That's been there a long time is it still there! Was there in 1994 when I did my first winter on a boat in the area. ETA I see you said "was". Sometimes I want a to get a narrow boat again and have a look around .. It may still be there I said was rather than is just in case someone came up and said it's goneπ―
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 16:17:01 GMT
It's still there on Google towpath view but not on the satellite. So I guess not there then ! dogless will know. This boat
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 16:33:32 GMT
Was still there in September @a
I really like Mouse, the little tug moored with it.
Rog
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Post by kris on Nov 2, 2021 16:54:51 GMT
The over-plating strategy has some clear pros and cons. I've sometimes wondered is there another way...in car restoration, the preferred method is to cut out the rot and weld in new steel. The obvious difference is the thickness of the material and thus a greater ease to mould it to a complex shape. Does this ever happen to old boats in preference to over-plating? Yes is the simple answer, not often though because of the cost. Sabina was part doubled, part replated, part insert.
She was doubled along the waterline, there she had some very large very deep pits but was watertight. She was lapstrake with the waterline strake inset. this meant that the doubler sat inbetween the top and bottom strake and was continuously welded top and bottom. because that filled in the inset it just looks as if she was carvel. Almost all the other sections were replated or if the damage was localised, an insert.
On big old barges another big advantage of doubling which is often a disadvantage on a modern narrow boat is the weight.
If Sabina had been doubled along the bottom with 20mm plate that would have taken her down about 3 inches and I would be able to get under Heck Bridge It must have cost you an arm and a leg? Iβd hate to think what that amount of work would cost at todayβs prices.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 17:32:56 GMT
The over-plating strategy has some clear pros and cons. I've sometimes wondered is there another way...in car restoration, the preferred method is to cut out the rot and weld in new steel. The obvious difference is the thickness of the material and thus a greater ease to mould it to a complex shape. Does this ever happen to old boats in preference to over-plating? doubled, part replated, part insert.
She was doubled along the waterline, there she had some very large very deep pits but was watertight. She was lapstrake with the waterline strake inset. this meant that the doubler sat inbetween the top and bottom strake and was continuously welded top and bottom. because that filled in the inset it just looks as if she was carvel. Almost all the other sections were replated or if the damage was localised, an insert.
On big old barges another big advantage of doubling which is often a disadvantage on a modern narrow boat is the weight.
If Sabina had been doubled along the bottom with 20mm plate that would have taken her down about 3 inches and I would be able to get under Heck Bridge Doubling I get, but what's the difference between 'replate' and 'insert'? Please also clarify the term 'lapstrake'.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 2, 2021 17:53:22 GMT
Yes is the simple answer, not often though because of the cost. Sabina was part doubled, part replated, part insert.
She was doubled along the waterline, there she had some very large very deep pits but was watertight. She was lapstrake with the waterline strake inset. this meant that the doubler sat inbetween the top and bottom strake and was continuously welded top and bottom. because that filled in the inset it just looks as if she was carvel. Almost all the other sections were replated or if the damage was localised, an insert.
On big old barges another big advantage of doubling which is often a disadvantage on a modern narrow boat is the weight.
If Sabina had been doubled along the bottom with 20mm plate that would have taken her down about 3 inches and I would be able to get under Heck Bridge It must have cost you an arm and a leg? Iβd hate to think what that amount of work would cost at todayβs prices. You would have a fair idea of the cost at today's prices, . . if you had agreed to the damage you did to A41/Medlock being temporarily cement box patched, surveyed and ultra-sonic thickness tested, and then repaired in a planned scheduled manner, after holing it on the Aire & Calder near Heck on the early evening of 26 September 2017, . . instead of doing a panic bodge job with several tons of concrete and chicken wire, . . and not informing your Insurers.
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