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Post by on Apr 29, 2023 12:18:40 GMT
Irritatingly I can't easily alter font sizes using the mobile version.
If I could be arsed I would be arsed but I can't be arsed.
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Post by on Apr 29, 2023 12:20:37 GMT
What a birthday. Sitting on the country estate with a beer waiting for the BS man to come and condemn the boat.
49 yars old today. Well at least one managed to get past 48. This was a very rocky year for quite a number of reasons mostly as it is divisible by 12 without any leftovers.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 29, 2023 12:41:20 GMT
IF it got messy and the geyser on the boat did something like set fire to the boat or use violence it would be unacceptable to have members of the public at the scene because of basic elfin safety laws and duty of care. I am not saying you are wrong and what you suggest is obviously very interesting (as always !)but it is an assumption. No, . . no assumptions, . . none at all. Just verifiable facts, and some direct involvement through getting the necessary information in respect of the 23 January Court Order and C&RT Ltd's actual powers "pursuant to Section 8 of the 1983 Act" - ie. the truth - to the Wiltshire Police Sergeant in charge on the day. The information reached the Police via interested parties on scene who relayed it to them from me, . . and to C&RT Ltd's National Customer/Licence Support Manager, Matthew Aymes, . . and Solicitor-Advocate Lucy Barry, who were both there in person, taking the lead and actively participating in lying to the Police, attempted fraud, and contempt of Court. My intervention must have made their day for them, . . NOT, . . and for the Trust's Head of Fraud, Theft & Legal Fiction, Tom Deards, . . who was only there in spirit, and probably very glad of it.
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Post by kris on Apr 29, 2023 13:25:23 GMT
As I’ve said you wouldn’t even know it was happening if I hadn’t started the thread.
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Post by Jim on Apr 29, 2023 13:38:16 GMT
As I’ve said you wouldn’t even know it was happening if I hadn’t started the thread. You wouldn't have started this thread if you hadn't seen my thread from 29th Jan. Ner ner ne ner ner!🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by kris on Apr 29, 2023 15:10:22 GMT
As I’ve said you wouldn’t even know it was happening if I hadn’t started the thread. You wouldn't have started this thread if you hadn't seen my thread from 29th Jan. Ner ner ne ner ner!🤣🤣🤣🤣 Your in a funny mood today Jim. As the doctor changed your meds?
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Post by Jim on Apr 29, 2023 15:12:27 GMT
You wouldn't have started this thread if you hadn't seen my thread from 29th Jan. Ner ner ne ner ner!🤣🤣🤣🤣 Your in a funny mood today Jim. As the doctor changed your meds? Yes, everything has rainbow edges.😵💫🤯
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Post by kris on Apr 29, 2023 15:16:59 GMT
Your in a funny mood today Jim. As the doctor changed your meds? Yes, everything has rainbow edges.😵💫🤯 Take another one then.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 29, 2023 17:06:36 GMT
Tony. It is a fair point you make but you are making a basic assumption. I don't think you actually know why nothing happened on that day. There are other possible explanations including the fact there was an audience in attendance. A County Court Judge has issued an order, namely that from such-and-such a date, Mr Ward is forbidden from navigating, mooring and/or securing the Boat on any part of the claimant's (CRT) waterways. Whatever happens, the Law quite simply will not accept that Mr Ward declines to comply with its order. You can safely ignore Dunkley's self-aggrandising nonsense and place money on the outcome being that March Hare ultimately goes the same way as Halcyon Daze.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 29, 2023 18:36:56 GMT
Tony. It is a fair point you make but you are making a basic assumption. I don't think you actually know why nothing happened on that day. There are other possible explanations including the fact there was an audience in attendance. A County Court Judge has issued an order, namely that from such-and-such a date, Mr Ward is forbidden from navigating, mooring and/or securing the Boat on any part of the claimant's (CRT) waterways. Whatever happens, the Law quite simply will not accept that Mr Ward declines to comply with its order. Neither Judges nor Courts 'issue' Orders, . . they 'make' them. You could at least make some token effort to mitigate the overall bad impression your mindless drivel leaves by getting the terminology correct. Writs or Warrants are issued, . . 'Orders' are not. As for - " Whatever happens, the Law quite simply will not accept that Mr Ward declines to comply with its order" - that is broadly correct, . . if, by 'the Law' you actually mean 'the Courts'. Muddled incorrect terminology again. However, . . what the Courts simply WILL NOT accept is successful claimants or applicants in whose favour an Injunction Order is made, taking it upon themselves to assume the powers and authority of the Court in attempting to enforce the terms of the Order themselves. To do so, knowingly as C&RT Ltd routinely do, and did on 19 April last at Bradford-on-Avon, is a serious contempt of Court carrying severe penalties, . . especially when committed in conjunction with knowingly misrepresenting a Court Order with the intent to commit fraud by false representation, and theft, . . as C&RT Ltd also did on 19 April last at Bradford-on-Avon.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 29, 2023 18:53:45 GMT
A County Court Judge has issued an order, namely that from such-and-such a date, Mr Ward is forbidden from navigating, mooring and/or securing the Boat on any part of the claimant's (CRT) waterways. Whatever happens, the Law quite simply will not accept that Mr Ward declines to comply with its order. Neither Judges nor Courts 'issue' Orders, . . they 'make' them. You could at least make some token effort to mitigate the overall bad impression your mindless drivel leaves by getting the terminology correct. Writs or Warrants are issued, . . 'Orders' are not. As for - " Whatever happens, the Law quite simply will not accept that Mr Ward declines to comply with its order" - that is broadly correct, . . if, by 'the Law' you actually mean 'the Courts'. Muddled incorrect terminology again. So if you're so smart and clued up on Law, how come I've got a boat and you haven't?
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Post by Murgatroyd on Apr 29, 2023 18:57:38 GMT
But then again, in attempting to remove the boat from the canal, CRT were not assuming the authority of the court but instead were using the statutory powers they have already. As Andrew has pointed out, the only reason the seizure didn't go ahead was the surprising level of public scrutiny the event received and there is little doubt Aymes and co. needed to avoid a PR disaster, although the decision of the police to not physically remove George from his boat is clearly relevant.
It will be of much interest to see what steps have been taken to avoid a repeat of the farce, supposing that George hasn't sensibly made like the canine previously alluded to. As somebody suggested previously, sealing off the towpath to public access seems likely.
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Post by The Cat Man on Apr 29, 2023 19:01:57 GMT
Could the fact the police did not intervene due to the fact there was no court appointed bailiffs present? That would be a fairly easy one to sort by CRT.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 29, 2023 19:09:42 GMT
But then again, in attempting to remove the boat from the canal, CRT were not assuming the authority of the court but instead were using the statutory powers they have already. I can see the George Ward case resulting in CRT no longer seeking Court Orders and simply removing unlicensed boats in accordance with their statutory powers. In a way this does remove a level of protection for boaters who come on to the radar but if the Court action is futile then it makes more sense to by-pass it. The George Ward case will end up with the boat being removed, the only real issue is how much those of us who do license boats end up paying for it.
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Post by kris on Apr 29, 2023 19:12:04 GMT
I suppose we will have to wait to see what happens.
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