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Post by Aloysius on Jun 20, 2023 9:30:17 GMT
Sure won't smell good if recovery occurs. Stand well back.
I think it's reasonable to assume that anyone who has a rescue vehicle has previously considered the logistics aspect.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 20, 2023 9:36:15 GMT
I suppose the biggest problem with a rescue is anything capable of going that deep, might not be near by. Plus of course the submersible is tiny compared to the enormous debris field in which it is currently lost, and has no way of announcing its position. It could take weeks even to find it.
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Post by β on Jun 20, 2023 9:49:14 GMT
Heβs not taking into account the extra food that would be available. I wonder what the toilet arrangements are? If there is food for 5 people for 4 days that is food for one person for 20 days. Assuming it is special food designed for survival.
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Post by β on Jun 20, 2023 9:51:07 GMT
I suppose the biggest problem with a rescue is anything capable of going that deep, might not be near by. Plus of course the submersible is tiny compared to the enormous debris field in which it is currently lost, and has no way of announcing its position. It could take weeks even to find it. Underwater currents must be an interesting topic. It seems to me this thing might be lost and never found given that it packed in quite soon after starting the descent. 4000 metre depth thats a needle in a haystack. Mind you these days one could find the needle with a decent magnet.
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Post by β on Jun 20, 2023 9:51:33 GMT
It might be a publicity stunt.
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Post by β on Jun 20, 2023 9:53:35 GMT
Sure won't smell good if recovery occurs. Stand well back. I think it's reasonable to assume that anyone who has a rescue vehicle has previously considered the logistics aspect. I located a large suitcase with something dead in it a couple of yars ago in the Thames. I couldn't get closer than about 4ft as it was bad. Police later recovered it but I don't know what they do. Maybe masks of some sort?
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Post by Aloysius on Jun 20, 2023 9:55:38 GMT
They don't appear to have been short of rich crazy people willing to sign up though.
If Titanic had hit the iceberg head-on, it wouldn't have sunk. The subsequent arrival in New York, still floating with a damaged bow, would have been a PR coup.
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Post by β on Jun 20, 2023 9:58:52 GMT
It seems odd they can do a disclaimer.
Pretty sure if I took a dinghy on the River and had paying passengers and it sunk and they drowned I would be sued regardless of any disclaimer in place.
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Post by β on Jun 20, 2023 10:37:47 GMT
Apparently
Owen says the submersible will have "several hundred kilos of metal" that can be ditched to give it enough buoyancy.
So it does appear to be buoyant which is sort of helpful. If it gets to the surface I suppose they must be able to get a PLB signal out somehow.
I suppose the whole thing could be sealed up from outside. Seems a bit of a design fault but with the enormous pressures maybe it isn't feasible to have an exit operable from inside even on the surface.
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Post by Aloysius on Jun 20, 2023 10:47:10 GMT
Apparently Owen says the submersible will have "several hundred kilos of metal" that can be ditched to give it enough buoyancy. So it does appear to be buoyant which is sort of helpful. If it gets to the surface I suppose they must be able to get a PLB signal out somehow. I suppose the whole thing could be sealed up from outside. Seems a bit of a design fault but with the enormous pressures maybe it isn't feasible to have an exit operable from inside even on the surface. A sealed metal tube full of air would be inherently buoyant. Unless it wasn't. Sealed.
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Post by β on Jun 20, 2023 11:04:58 GMT
Not if it was heavier than water.
If the wall thickness was large enough it may not be buoyant.
Of course the most likely scenario here is of rapid flooding. It could be something as simple as a minor error in the launch protocol such as not closing the door properly.
I remember a ferry the Herald of free enterprise which sank because of a basic error.
Quite often it is basic things which cause this type of outcome.
Flooding may also knock out the electronics which could explain loss of comms.
I doubt the playstation controller is IP68 rated although they may have lacquered the boards.
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Post by fi on Jun 20, 2023 11:06:36 GMT
Has anyone checked for icebergs in the area....
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Post by kris on Jun 20, 2023 11:10:03 GMT
Heβs not taking into account the extra food that would be available. I wonder what the toilet arrangements are? If there is food for 5 people for 4 days that is food for one person for 20 days. Assuming it is special food designed for survival. But if you start killing each other βextra, food becomes available.
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Post by β on Jun 20, 2023 11:11:24 GMT
If there is food for 5 people for 4 days that is food for one person for 20 days. Assuming it is special food designed for survival. But if you start killing each other βextra, food becomes available. Cannibalism is an interesting option here. It would reduce the issue of rotting corpses a little but you would need a huge appetite and they piss in bags according to news articles. We are not privvy to the arrangements for defecation.
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Post by Aloysius on Jun 20, 2023 11:12:15 GMT
I remember a ferry the Herald of free enterprise which sank because of a basic error. Akshally that wasn't it. The ship was quite capable of making the crossing with the doors open; in fact the sister-ship had done precisely that about six months previously.
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