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Post by on Jun 20, 2023 11:13:04 GMT
I remember a ferry the Herald of free enterprise which sank because of a basic error. Akshally that wasn't it. The ship was quite capable of making the crossing with the doors open; in fact the sister-ship had done precisely that about six months previously. Accident report worth reading about this one.. eta as maib didn't exist.
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Post by Aloysius on Jun 20, 2023 11:17:08 GMT
Akshally that wasn't it. The ship was quite capable of making the crossing with the doors open; in fact the sister-ship had done precisely that about six months previously. Accident report worth reading about this one.. eta as maib didn't exist. Also the amount of water taken on board was not enough to sink the ship; the killer factor was free surface area effect.
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Post by on Jun 20, 2023 11:17:14 GMT
Basic error
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Post by Aloysius on Jun 20, 2023 11:27:13 GMT
Closing the doors would clearly have been beneficial, but please refer to earlier comment.
In fact, an element of the disaster was that the captain needed to make up lost time and powered up before the ferry had cleared the relatively shallow waters of Zeebrugge harbour, thus creating an abnormally large bow wave.
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Post by Jim on Jun 20, 2023 12:09:23 GMT
re escape and poo, there is no escape from the inside, hatch screwed down from the outside, No need for cassette or bucket, No Shit, they have to fast for 24 hours before the trip. Probably drownded by now, it's the opposite of going up everest, a good few pay to die up there every year. I'd do both but swmbo won't let me.
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Post by Aloysius on Jun 20, 2023 12:11:00 GMT
I hope they packed a pee bottle.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 20, 2023 21:15:14 GMT
I suppose that if there is anything positive to be said about this, then at least the crew are getting the full Titanic experience.
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Post by on Jun 20, 2023 22:28:43 GMT
One hopes it is not some sort of scheme to make money.
I know what they should do with the money if it is ! Launder it .
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Post by Aloysius on Jun 21, 2023 3:50:17 GMT
Safety fears had previously been raised about the deep-sea vessel which went missing on a dive to the Titanic shipwreck.
As the race to find the vessel intensified on Tuesday, it emerged a former employee of OceanGate had raised concerns over “safety and quality control issues regarding the Titan to OceanGate executive management”, according to court filings.
David Lochridge, OceanGate’s former director of marine operations, claimed in the August 2018 court document he was wrongfully fired after flagging worries about the company’s alleged “refusal to conduct critical, non-destructive testing of the experimental design”.
After “issues of quality control” with Titan were raised, the filings say Mr Rush asked Mr Lochridge to conduct a “quality inspection” report on the vessel.
During this process, Lochridge “identified numerous issues that posed serious safety concerns” but he was allegedly “met with hostility and denial of access” to necessary documents before later being fired.
In a November 2022 episode of his Unsung Science podcast, CBS journalist David Pogue interviewed Stockton Rush ahead of going on a Titan expedition to the wreckage.
In the podcast, Mr Rush told him: “You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste.
“I mean, if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed, don’t get in your car, don’t do anything.
“At some point, you’re going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question.
“I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules.”
Stockton Rush, 61, is the chief executive of OceanGate, the firm which runs the Titanic voyages, and the company confirmed he is on board.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 21, 2023 6:54:49 GMT
Closing the doors would clearly have been beneficial, but please refer to earlier comment. In fact, an element of the disaster was that the captain needed to make up lost time and powered up before the ferry had cleared the relatively shallow waters of Zeebrugge harbour, thus creating an abnormally large bow wave. There is an 'element' of truth in what you say about the open bow doors, . . but it wasn't bow wave height that caused the flooding of the vehicle deck. The engine controls were found in full astern after the capsizing and sinking, . . a reliable indication that the ship was 'diving' after straying slightly out of the dredged deepwater channel. 'Diving' is a variation on the 'squatting' phenomenon that occurs with excess speed in shallow water. Had the ship stayed within the dredged deepwater channel, it would probably not have gone down, . . even with the bow doors open.
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Post by Aloysius on Jun 21, 2023 7:08:54 GMT
In fact the bow wave theory was fully investigated by experiment with the Herald's sister-ship, both in deep water and in the relative shallows of the harbour. The results were conclusive.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 21, 2023 7:47:44 GMT
In a November 2022 episode of his Unsung Science podcast, CBS journalist David Pogue interviewed Stockton Rush ahead of going on a Titan expedition to the wreckage.
In the podcast, Mr Rush told him: “You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste. “I mean, if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed, don’t get in your car, don’t do anything. “At some point, you’re going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question. “I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules.” Stockton Rush, 61, is the chief executive of OceanGate, the firm which runs the Titanic voyages, and the company confirmed he is on board. I suppose really Stockton Rush deserves some credit for being aboard the vessel himself. It avoids any suggestion that he played fast and loose with the safety of others in pursuit of gain. There doesn't seem to have been any meaningful progress made overnight in the search.
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Post by Aloysius on Jun 21, 2023 7:53:59 GMT
In a November 2022 episode of his Unsung Science podcast, CBS journalist David Pogue interviewed Stockton Rush ahead of going on a Titan expedition to the wreckage.
In the podcast, Mr Rush told him: “You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste. “I mean, if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed, don’t get in your car, don’t do anything. “At some point, you’re going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question. “I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules.” Stockton Rush, 61, is the chief executive of OceanGate, the firm which runs the Titanic voyages, and the company confirmed he is on board. I suppose really Stockton Rush deserves some credit for being aboard the vessel himself. It avoids any suggestion that he played fast and loose with the safety of others in pursuit of gain. There doesn't seem to have been any meaningful progress made overnight in the search. That's one way of looking at it. Another would be that he believed his own bullshit. Happens a lot.
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Post by on Jun 21, 2023 8:14:38 GMT
Some funny comments in the DM article.
"If I was a billionaire I'd be sitting on some beach smoking a cigar, not doing this type of bs"
Sort of got a point there except I would say 'on a yacht' not a beach.
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Post by Aloysius on Jun 21, 2023 8:53:25 GMT
I expect that if you are steenkin rich then you probably get a lot of beaches. Or even yachts.
Anyway what are you going to do with all that dough if not something very expensive?
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