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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 6, 2023 12:02:14 GMT
They do say that a pessimist is an optimist with experience.
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Post by kris on Jul 6, 2023 12:33:39 GMT
No it isn't, I'm aging, tried to stop but not working, and I'm an optimist, thought my ploy would work but it didn't. I was talking about Andrew being a closet optimist. It’s not all about you.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 6, 2023 13:03:24 GMT
Another bit of imformation I’d like from crt is the number of boats that haven’t paid for a liscence this year that had one last year. It seems lots of people are just opting out of paying them. We could get that nice Suella onto it. She could arrange for the non-payers to be sent to Rwanda and only allowed back once they have paid up. Well that threat would be a good deterrent anyway. Apparently.
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Post by kris on Jul 6, 2023 13:07:20 GMT
Another bit of imformation I’d like from crt is the number of boats that haven’t paid for a liscence this year that had one last year. It seems lots of people are just opting out of paying them. We could get that nice Suella onto it. She could arrange for the non-payers to be sent to Rwanda and only allowed back once they have paid up. Well that threat would be a good deterrent anyway. I’d move to Rwanda if they are going to pay me a pension whilst there.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 6, 2023 13:15:14 GMT
I agree but the story is that the CRT are closing facilities. Maybe this is related to those with buildings I don't know. One hopes that kris persists in his quest for information as it is interesting. Is there anything to stop the CRT simply closing all of the elsan points? I seem to recall they are not obliged to provide this service. I burn the shit on my off grid boat these days but not everyone wants to engage in this behaviour. I am going to persist in getting the imformation. Then I will publicise it. The policy of closing facilities is on the face of it a cost saving thing. But it’s also about making it difficult and less attractive to live on boats. They have also cut down the number of visits the facilities get for cleaning etc. Crt are clever in their actions because if they said we are removing all facilities. There would be uproar, rightfully so. But if they just let them get run down and close them, then remove them bit by bit it isn’t so obvious and not so easy to campaign against.
I don't really see it as an anti-liveaboard agenda. If you have a cassette and you want to go off out of the marina for a couple of weeks, you need to be able to dump your shit regularly. I can't see how liveaboards are affected more than holidaymakers. But CRT will be pleased to see a bit of divide and conquer going on! Round our way, they closed the services at Fazeley (used to be CRT offices there) but these have been moved round the corner to Fazeley Mill Marina, still free to use (elsan, rubbish and water) as CRT pay FMM a retainer. There is a water point at the junction and one just outside the marina. Heading one way from Fazeley there are services including elsan at Fradley, 12 miles or so away, one lock. And again at Gt Haywood jn, short day's cruise 4 locks. The other way there are ditto at Bradley Green / Atherstone bottom lock, 7 miles or so, 2 locks. Then another at Atherstone top lock. Heading up the B&F it is less good but you are heading into the city. The services at Minworth top lock were closed several years ago. It is a grotty urban area and there was persistent vandalism so I have some sympathy. Next is at Cuckoo wharf bottom of Aston locks, which is a day's march from Fazeley. Then top of Farmer's bridge, 24 locks away but they are fast (1/2 day's march). So around our way, there doesn't seem to be much of a problem. I suppose that if you're not in the habit of moving then it is an issue but I don't think you can expect services at every other bridge hole. The infrastructure was not created with the idea of barely-moving live aboards, and I don't think CRT can be expected to build new facilities to meet that new requirement
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Post by on Jul 6, 2023 13:43:16 GMT
I don't really see it as an anti-liveaboard agenda. ... ... The infrastructure was not created with the idea of barely-moving live aboards, and I don't think CRT can be expected to build new facilities to meet that new requirement. This is the point isn't it. Yars ago there were far fewer people living on boats expecting the experience to emulate living in an apartment. Part of the issue is the marketing around sailaways with 240v electric. A lot of people may genuinely not have realised that this was an inverter providing the 240 from limited batteries and it would run for about ten minutes on the average domestic requirement. There will be people who put all their eggs in one basket while counting their chickens before they were hatched. If course 3 and 4g changed the game and big solar panels but it still isn't an apartment. I'm sure there are vast numbers of people living on boats who would much rather live in an apartment. It must be a terrible trap to be in especially when the shit emptying becomes more awkward . I blame Gordon Brown.
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Post by kris on Jul 6, 2023 14:13:51 GMT
I like living on boats, I don’t live on a boat for cheap accommodation. But I’d still like to be able to get water conviently and dispose of my rubbish safely and sustainably without having to travel for two whole days in either direction. I understand why nick doesn’t see it being anti livaboard, because he doesn’t livaboard and is only on his boat intermittently. Andrew just has no empathy and is alright jack so doesn’t care. The point is under crt’s guardianship there is a rapid decline of the network generally. The removal of facilities just being one of the symptoms.
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Post by Jim on Jul 6, 2023 14:33:38 GMT
They do say that a pessimist is an optimist with experience. They? You mean pessimists? Bunch of miserable twunts.
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Post by dogless on Jul 6, 2023 14:42:41 GMT
I like living on boats, I don’t live on a boat for cheap accommodation. But I’d still like to be able to get water conviently and dispose of my rubbish safely and sustainably without having to travel for two whole days in either direction. I understand why nick doesn’t see it being anti livaboard, because he doesn’t livaboard and is only on his boat intermittently. Andrew just has no empathy and is alright jack so doesn’t care. The point is under crt’s guardianship there is a rapid decline of the network generally. The removal of facilities just being one of the symptoms. Indeed, I don't wish to plan my cruising around service points, or have to rush because water's getting low, or rubbish overflowing. But I think that's the same for anyone, liveaboard, holiday maker or infrequent boater. I'd be happy if C&RT would simply maintain what currently exists, but I fear that's unlikely and more will disappear. Rog
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Post by fi on Jul 6, 2023 15:27:00 GMT
I like living on boats, I don’t live on a boat for cheap accommodation. But I’d still like to be able to get water conviently and dispose of my rubbish safely and sustainably without having to travel for two whole days in either direction. I understand why nick doesn’t see it being anti livaboard, because he doesn’t livaboard and is only on his boat intermittently. Andrew just has no empathy and is alright jack so doesn’t care. The point is under crt’s guardianship there is a rapid decline of the network generally. The removal of facilities just being one of the symptoms. Indeed, I don't wish to plan my cruising around service points, or have to rush because water's getting low, or rubbish overflowing. But I think that's the same for anyone, liveaboard, holiday maker or infrequent boater. I'd be happy if C&RT would simply maintain what currently exists, but I fear that's unlikely and more will disappear. Rog CRT have stated that their policy is to close further CSFs.
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 6, 2023 16:18:05 GMT
I don't really see it as an anti-liveaboard agenda. ... ... The infrastructure was not created with the idea of barely-moving live aboards, and I don't think CRT can be expected to build new facilities to meet that new requirement. There will be people who put all their eggs in one basket while counting their chickens before they were hatched. You're forgetting those who value two birds in the bush over the one in their hand. Still, all the pigeons will come home to roost eventually.
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Post by Andyberg on Jul 6, 2023 16:53:10 GMT
Not forgetting, A bird does not sing because it has an answer. It sings because it has a song! 🦅
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 6, 2023 17:00:14 GMT
It's like a turkey looking forward to Christmas. Their goose is well and truly cooked.
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Post by Andyberg on Jul 6, 2023 17:07:56 GMT
There will be people who put all their eggs in one basket while counting their chickens before they were hatched. These people need ‘flicking the bird’! 🖕
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Post by Aloysius on Jul 6, 2023 17:21:34 GMT
Still, best to stay abreast of the situation. The early bird catches the worm.
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