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Post by dogless on Feb 27, 2024 15:04:52 GMT
Preserving a language is fine,refusing to speak in English to fellow lifeboat crew who couldn't speak Welsh is not.Dangerous & plain daft ! Wouldn't disagree but that isn't in the press release. Rog
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Post by fi on Feb 27, 2024 15:18:58 GMT
This, despite everyone in Gwynedd and indeed the whole of Wales having the ability to communicate in English. You don't have a very wide circle of knowledge about your wider community do you. There are still some welsh only speakers around in the remoter parts. And many that use welsh as a first language.
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Post by β on Feb 27, 2024 15:24:41 GMT
Maybe if they speak louder in Welsh people will understand them.
I once went to a place near Barmouth to meet a woman from a dating website (Guardian sol mates).
She was a rare welsh bit.
Not that many roads in and out of the area.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 27, 2024 15:47:26 GMT
This, despite everyone in Gwynedd and indeed the whole of Wales having the ability to communicate in English. You don't have a very wide circle of knowledge about your wider community do you. There are still some welsh only speakers around in the remoter parts. And many that use welsh as a first language.
Yes I'm sure there are a few. In terms of their social mobility, they are crippled. I feel sorry for them. We had a nut-job at the gliding club for a while. He was both a professional pilot and a gynacologist. According to him. His son also attended the club for a while, he was around 15 or so. They lived somewhere near Mold IIRC. Even though both were English, father had sent his son to a Welsh-speaking-only school (ie everything was taught in welsh). The boy was OK but as his father explained, he may not understand what the gliding instructor was saying very well, because he had become so used to everything in Welsh. Poor lad.
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Post by β on Feb 27, 2024 16:02:40 GMT
I sometimes wonder if our time in Wales is what damaged my older sister and caused her to be a care in the community patient. Not a joke she actually is care in the community. Words from the mouth of a AMHP who had come to section her. I was there in person.
Clueless hippy parents with too much money buy sheep farm in Wales and have kids. I was lucky as was only 1-5 yars old but the older sister was 4-8 which probably a more critical age.
I can see how this sort of early childhood shit could really fuck people up.
Shall I do the one about the crows pecking the sheep's eyes out while it was still alive?
I'm like 'OMG'. My sister and I watched that. Not ideal as we also had no television or swearing so there was no 'reality'
Bloody hippies !
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Post by brummieboy on Feb 27, 2024 16:18:23 GMT
Preserving a language is fine,refusing to speak in English to fellow lifeboat crew who couldn't speak Welsh is not.Dangerous & plain daft ! Wouldn't disagree but that isn't in the press release. Rog I did say what the problem was in my first posts. Again, the press release appears to be selective in its content. On a similar note, I also have relatives in Northern Ireland, and whilst they spend a lot of money on Gaelic preservation that could be maybe spent better, they are not so xenophobic. One of my grandsons is quite the star in Gaelic football, and recently played in a cup final. This was televised on RTE, and for a small premium, I was able to tune in to watch the game. The prematch discussions were all in English and set the atmosphere for the game, but when it started, the commentary was all in Gaelic. I did not understand anything except for 'point' and 'goal'. Unfortuneately, my grandson's team did not score enough of either.
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Post by Jim on Feb 27, 2024 17:02:05 GMT
Maybe if they speak louder in Welsh people will understand them. I once went to a place near Barmouth to meet a woman from a dating website (Guardian sol mates). She was a rare welsh bit. Not that many roads in and out of the area. Not a bit cheesy then?
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Post by Trina on Feb 27, 2024 18:02:46 GMT
Preserving a language is fine,refusing to speak in English to fellow lifeboat crew who couldn't speak Welsh is not.Dangerous & plain daft ! Wouldn't disagree but that isn't in the press release. Rog It was stated in the weekend papers.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 27, 2024 19:41:15 GMT
This, despite everyone in Gwynedd and indeed the whole of Wales having the ability to communicate in English. You don't have a very wide circle of knowledge about your wider community do you. There are still some welsh only speakers around in the remoter parts. And many that use welsh as a first language. Perhaps not. Although I moved to England when I was tiny I'm Welsh myself as were all the generations on my Dad's side that he researched. Blacksmiths and coal miners living between Wrexham and Welshpool. I got that from my Dad, everyone in Wales speaks English too. I've never heard or read anything which contradicts this. It's certainly true that there are many with Welsh as their first language. Most particularly in the part of Wales in which I live. A majority in many towns, but very few in mine. You hear more Polish spoken in Barmouth than you do Welsh. The point remains that it's not necessary for people to speak Welsh in Wales and for a council to have this as a requirement flies right in their claims to be politically inclusive and progressive.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 27, 2024 19:58:56 GMT
I think for a safety critical role such as lifeboat crew the main consideration should be the ability to communicate effectively. A lifeboat isn't the place for nationalistic sentiment, A Japanese aeroplane pilot landing in Angola will communicate with air traffic control in English for this very reason.
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 27, 2024 23:24:44 GMT
Is it not a good thing that they are attempting to preserve and promote their native tongue ? It is a good thing that they do try to preserve their identity and language, just as it is in Scotland and Northern Ireland. To act so highhandedly as individuals to volunteers, whether they are incomers or nationals, is a very poor way of achieving this, especially when nationally, the uptake of a dead language is so low. As regards the stipulation of public sector employment not being available to over 3/4s of the population, let alone the talent in the rest of the U.K., this maybe explains the wretched performance of the administration. I wonder how much Welsh is actually spoken in offices and meetings in practice. I use the word 'dead' in acknowlegement that the only consideration to cultural development is to spell english words a little differently, e.g. Ambwlans for ambulance. I know welsh people take the rise out of such instances referring to microwave ovens as pingitty pop. Itβs popty ping actually.
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Post by fi on Feb 27, 2024 23:32:15 GMT
It is a good thing that they do try to preserve their identity and language, just as it is in Scotland and Northern Ireland. To act so highhandedly as individuals to volunteers, whether they are incomers or nationals, is a very poor way of achieving this, especially when nationally, the uptake of a dead language is so low. As regards the stipulation of public sector employment not being available to over 3/4s of the population, let alone the talent in the rest of the U.K., this maybe explains the wretched performance of the administration. I wonder how much Welsh is actually spoken in offices and meetings in practice. I use the word 'dead' in acknowlegement that the only consideration to cultural development is to spell english words a little differently, e.g. Ambwlans for ambulance. I know welsh people take the rise out of such instances referring to microwave ovens as pingitty pop. Itβs popty ping actually. I thought it was popity ping - maybe just the North Wales version though.
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 27, 2024 23:42:03 GMT
There are both primary and secondary schools where all lessons are conducted in Welsh. Many children in these schools come from completely English speaking homes. Originally this was because the class sizes were much lower than in English language schools. Doing your A levels in Welsh is fine, however many kids struggle in Uni where everything is studied in English (obviously). If you have aspirations to work in television, being fluent in Welsh is an advantage as it is easier to get a job with Welsh language stations is easier than getting a toehold in the BBC in London for instance. I would have placed my daughter in a Welsh speaking nursery if one had been convenient but that didnβt happen. Being bilingual, as was her grandmother, would have been an advantage IMHO, my father didnβt speak Welsh so I wasnβt taught it, my loss I feel.
i wonder if any of you remember Starcoaster from CWDF? She is an example of someone from an English speaking home attending a Welsh language school.
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 27, 2024 23:51:51 GMT
Itβs popty ping actually. I thought it was popity ping - maybe just the North Wales version though. Popty is oven, the term is slang. The formal word for microwave is meicrodon.. I like the slang for jellyfish β¦ pysgod wibbli wobbli Proper word prsgod jeli
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Post by dogless on Feb 28, 2024 8:20:55 GMT
The obvious issue at the RNLI aside ... it seems strange to argue against Welsh people seeking to preserve and promote their own language.
A bit like going on a foreign holiday and complaining there wasn't a McDonalds or anywhere to get a full English.
The central point is , it's Wales.
Rog
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