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Post by brummieboy on Feb 26, 2024 23:01:39 GMT
Not wishing to pick up on any recent threads that merged into nationalism( mainly Welsh) I wonder if this by-passed every one. rnli.org/news-and-media/2024/february/09/update-on-pwllheli-lifeboat-stationApparently the permanent employee refused to speak in anything other than Welsh, even on operations. How can any sane person operating in such an essential position let minority principles withhold such a necessary service. With relatives in Wales, and in the alleged nationalist hot spot of Anglesey, then I think I think that the employee concerned is in a minority where apparently 75% of the population of Wales can't speak Welsh. All I ever seem to hear there is either Liverpool, Manchester or west Midland accents, and that is from residents. It doesn't put any local identity in a good light, nor does it do much for the reputation of the R.N.L.I., who like the National Trust , seem to have taken it upon themselves to re-educate their benefactors with wokery. We have a collection box in the Club for the R.N.L.I. and over the past year or so, many have ceased to contribute any insignificant change in the box. The Shropshire Union Canal Society is benefitting instead. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 26, 2024 23:32:22 GMT
I live in the same local authority, Gwynedd. All advertised council jobs require applicants to have the ability to communicate in Welsh. This, despite everyone in Gwynedd and indeed the whole of Wales having the ability to communicate in English. I say that but there are probably some new arrivals who don't speak English but a more practical requirement might be for an ability to communicate in Urdu or Ukrainian.
I'm lucky enough to live in a town where everyone is welcome but you only have to go 10 miles and, unless you speak Welsh, you'd be made most unwelcome. This is ironic because the political force behind this has the erasure of racism and xenophobia as top priorities. Perhaps they should be more specific and state: 'xenophobia- except towards the English'.
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Post by Jim on Feb 27, 2024 8:30:47 GMT
I live in the same local authority, Gwynedd. All advertised council jobs require applicants to have the ability to communicate in Welsh. This, despite everyone in Gwynedd and indeed the whole of Wales having the ability to communicate in English. I say that but there are probably some new arrivals who don't speak English but a more practical requirement might be for an ability to communicate in Urdu or Ukrainian. I'm lucky enough to live in a town where everyone is welcome but you only have to go 10 miles and, unless you speak Welsh, you'd be made most unwelcome. This is ironic because the political force behind this has the erasure of racism and xenophobia as top priorities. Perhaps they should be more specific and state: 'xenophobia- except towards the English'. Strange how those who are against migrants coming to the country complain that "they can't speak the lingo", yet, when they become migrants they use the colonial method, complain that people are talking about them in a "foreign" language in shops, shout loudly in english, refusing to be part of the Community. OOPs sorry, there's no such thing, according to individualist experts on such matters. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 27, 2024 8:33:51 GMT
I live in the same local authority, Gwynedd. All advertised council jobs require applicants to have the ability to communicate in Welsh. This, despite everyone in Gwynedd and indeed the whole of Wales having the ability to communicate in English. I say that but there are probably some new arrivals who don't speak English but a more practical requirement might be for an ability to communicate in Urdu or Ukrainian. I'm lucky enough to live in a town where everyone is welcome but you only have to go 10 miles and, unless you speak Welsh, you'd be made most unwelcome. This is ironic because the political force behind this has the erasure of racism and xenophobia as top priorities. Perhaps they should be more specific and state: 'xenophobia- except towards the English'. Strange how those who are against migrants coming to the country complain that "they can't speak the lingo", yet, when they become migrants they use the colonial method, complain that people are talking about them in a "foreign" language in shops, shout loudly in english, refusing to be part of the Community. OOPs sorry, there's no such thing, according to individualist experts on such matters. This thread is about Welsh people who can't speak Welsh and has nothing to do with migrants. |
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Post by dogless on Feb 27, 2024 8:46:04 GMT
Is it not a good thing that they are attempting to preserve and promote their native tongue ?
I live in England so not a major concern, but would hope they can promote Welsh speaking.
Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 27, 2024 9:55:17 GMT
Wales chose to be a 'super host' for Ukrainian refugees, offering to take well in excess of its alloted share. Let's park the fact that those negatively affected by this, in what was already a chronically over subscribed housing market, weren't consulted.
I guess it goes something like this:
'We're Wales. We're a friendly, progressive, outward looking nation. We're proud to offer the hand of friendship to human colleagues in strife, wherever they may be.
'You can come to our country, you're most welcome but unless you speak the lingo (we realise that few, if any Ukrainians do) I'm sorry, you're excluded from consideration for job roles in the council.'
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Post by brummieboy on Feb 27, 2024 11:02:28 GMT
Is it not a good thing that they are attempting to preserve and promote their native tongue ? It is a good thing that they do try to preserve their identity and language, just as it is in Scotland and Northern Ireland. To act so highhandedly as individuals to volunteers, whether they are incomers or nationals, is a very poor way of achieving this, especially when nationally, the uptake of a dead language is so low. As regards the stipulation of public sector employment not being available to over 3/4s of the population, let alone the talent in the rest of the U.K., this maybe explains the wretched performance of the administration. I wonder how much Welsh is actually spoken in offices and meetings in practice. I use the word 'dead' in acknowlegement that the only consideration to cultural development is to spell english words a little differently, e.g. Ambwlans for ambulance. I know welsh people take the rise out of such instances referring to microwave ovens as pingitty pop. |
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Post by dogless on Feb 27, 2024 11:34:59 GMT
It is Wales ... surely the Welsh should be free to decide. It's not as if they're imposing promotion of their own language in Birmingham or Sheffield. Clinton Cool chose to live there, in Wales, with the Welsh, who are as a nation desperately trying to rescue and promote the use of their native tongue. Seems entirely laudable to me. Rog |
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 27, 2024 11:42:21 GMT
Is it not a good thing that they are attempting to preserve and promote their native tongue ? I live in England so not a major concern, but would hope they can promote Welsh speaking. Rog No it is not a good thing when they are trying to replace the universal language of the country (ie UK) with a minority language that was virtually extinct a few decades ago. Why? Because just like religion, speaking a different language is divisive and a major source of strife, war etc. Just think how differently we would regard the brown people everywhere if we could actually understand what they were saying! Living in harmony is all about common understanding and good communication, and a prerequisite for that is to be able to understand each other. Deliberately reducing understanding by insisting on speaking a dead language is counter productive to peace and harmony. It is just wokery and virtue signalling hiding an inherent tribal/clan nature where “we are ok, but anyone different is an enemy threatening us and our resources and must be killed”. |
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Post by on Feb 27, 2024 11:47:36 GMT
We lived in Wales near Llanellewidog (sp) in the late 70s for some yars and they did teach Welsh in the schools. My older sister was quite good.
After that we moved to Edinburgh but never learnt to speak Scottish..
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Post by dogless on Feb 27, 2024 11:56:45 GMT
Is it not a good thing that they are attempting to preserve and promote their native tongue ? I live in England so not a major concern, but would hope they can promote Welsh speaking. Rog No it is not a good thing when they are trying to replace the universal language of the country (ie UK) with a minority language that was virtually extinct a few decades ago. Why? Because just like religion, speaking a different language is divisive and a major source of strife, war etc. Just think how differently we would regard the brown people everywhere if we could actually understand what they were saying! Living in harmony is all about common understanding and good communication, and a prerequisite for that is to be able to understand each other. Deliberately reducing understanding by insisting on speaking a dead language is counter productive to peace and harmony. It is just wokery and virtue signalling hiding an inherent tribal/clan nature where “we are ok, but anyone different is an enemy threatening us and our resources and must be killed”. Good arguments for not living in Wales but surely the Welsh get to choose whether it is a dead language or nursed back to life ? Rog |
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 27, 2024 13:14:01 GMT
No it is not a good thing when they are trying to replace the universal language of the country (ie UK) with a minority language that was virtually extinct a few decades ago. Why? Because just like religion, speaking a different language is divisive and a major source of strife, war etc. Just think how differently we would regard the brown people everywhere if we could actually understand what they were saying! Living in harmony is all about common understanding and good communication, and a prerequisite for that is to be able to understand each other. Deliberately reducing understanding by insisting on speaking a dead language is counter productive to peace and harmony. It is just wokery and virtue signalling hiding an inherent tribal/clan nature where “we are ok, but anyone different is an enemy threatening us and our resources and must be killed”. Good arguments for not living in Wales but surely the Welsh get to choose whether it is a dead language or nursed back to life ? Rog But I strongly suspect that most people living wales do not want their country to become exclusively Welsh speaking. I suspect that perhaps 10% of the population are fanatical about it, 50% are not that fussed either way, and 40% are against it. The 10% make a lot of noise and just like the whole wokery thing, create a culture where any disagreement means you are a pariah and should be killed. |
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Post by Trina on Feb 27, 2024 13:14:28 GMT
Preserving a language is fine,refusing to speak in English to fellow lifeboat crew who couldn't speak Welsh is not.Dangerous & plain daft !
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 27, 2024 13:16:02 GMT
I mean, I try to preserve the proper use of Ancient Greek, but that doesn’t seem to get me any kudos.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 27, 2024 13:30:02 GMT
It is Wales ... surely the Welsh should be free to decide. It's not as if they're imposing promotion of their own language in Birmingham or Sheffield. Clinton Cool chose to live there, in Wales, with the Welsh, who are as a nation desperately trying to rescue and promote the use of their native tongue. Seems entirely laudable to me. Rog If the Welsh wish themslves to be seen as a closeted, inward looking, backward nation, it is indeed their choice. The problem is that the politics of Plaid Cymru majors on inclusivity, progressivism, openness. The policy is Gwynedd council, run by Plaid Cymru, directly contradicts how the political party wishes to be seen. A party with an inclusive recruitment policy would require language skills adequate to do the job, nothing more. |
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