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Post by brummieboy on Feb 28, 2024 11:51:08 GMT
i'm not arguing against the Welsh seeking to preserve/promote their own language, but where it curtails the efficiency of an organisation or even Government,then it must be counterproductive. There has always been resentment from some people who see the English particularly as an enemy. Maybe it goes back to the 'holiday homes' problems, but this is no different to the problems encountered in the West Country or East Anglia. Surely some of the blame for this must lie with the previous owners who sell the properties. I know that on Anglesey, when visiting family, I hear very few Welsh accents, even within the businesses there.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 28, 2024 12:02:07 GMT
The obvious issue at the RNLI aside ... it seems strange to argue against Welsh people seeking to preserve and promote their own language. A bit like going on a foreign holiday and complaining there wasn't a McDonalds or anywhere to get a full English. The central point is , it's Wales. Rog The central point is that it is wales, where most people spoke english as their first language, until it became fashionable to be isolationist and speak welsh. I don't have a problem with welsh people speaking welsh, I do have a problem with welsh people being brought up not being able to speak english properly. If it was the darkies in Birmingham bringing up their children only able to speak darky language, we would consider it bad for integration, causing ghettoisation, distrust and strife. But for some reason (probably because they are white) some people think it is OK for same to happen in Wales. It is child abuse really. Inflicting disadvantage on their children (assuming they ever want to leave the sheep farm and get a job elsewhere) in the name of fad and wokery and nationanlism. Nationalism is never a good thing and is always the cause or wars.
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 28, 2024 12:35:16 GMT
The obvious issue at the RNLI aside ... it seems strange to argue against Welsh people seeking to preserve and promote their own language. A bit like going on a foreign holiday and complaining there wasn't a McDonalds or anywhere to get a full English. The central point is , it's Wales. Rog The central point is that it is wales, where most people spoke english as their first language, until it became fashionable to be isolationist and speak welsh. I don't have a problem with welsh people speaking welsh, I do have a problem with welsh people being brought up not being able to speak english properly. If it was the darkies in Birmingham bringing up their children only able to speak darky language, we would consider it bad for integration, causing ghettoisation, distrust and strife. But for some reason (probably because they are white) some people think it is OK for same to happen in Wales. It is child abuse really. Inflicting disadvantage on their children (assuming they ever want to leave the sheep farm and get a job elsewhere) in the name of fad and wokery and nationanlism. Nationalism is never a good thing and is always the cause or wars. You won’t find a child of primary school age or older who can’t speak English properly. The historical resentment stems from the days when children were punished in school if they were heard to speak Welsh whether it was in the classroom or the playground.
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Post by Jim on Feb 28, 2024 12:54:45 GMT
The obvious issue at the RNLI aside ... it seems strange to argue against Welsh people seeking to preserve and promote their own language. A bit like going on a foreign holiday and complaining there wasn't a McDonalds or anywhere to get a full English. The central point is , it's Wales. Rog The central point is that it is wales, where most people spoke english as their first language, until it became fashionable to be isolationist and speak welsh. I don't have a problem with welsh people speaking welsh, I do have a problem with welsh people being brought up not being able to speak english properly. If it was the darkies in Birmingham bringing up their children only able to speak darky language, we would consider it bad for integration, causing ghettoisation, distrust and strife. But for some reason (probably because they are white) some people think it is OK for same to happen in Wales. It is child abuse really. Inflicting disadvantage on their children (assuming they ever want to leave the sheep farm and get a job elsewhere) in the name of fad and wokery and nationanlism. Nationalism is never a good thing and is always the cause or wars. The majority would only have spoken English because they weren't allowed to speak Welsh, the same colonialist attitude you are portraying. Migrants in Birmingham should learn the language of the country they have moved to, yamyam for a start😉. Welsh people in Wales should speak Welsh if they want. Whatever else, being bilingual increases brain development. For a migrant to another country to expect they speak his language just because he's there in a shop etc is being an entitled twat.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 28, 2024 12:59:49 GMT
The central point is that it is wales, where most people spoke english as their first language, until it became fashionable to be isolationist and speak welsh. I don't have a problem with welsh people speaking welsh, I do have a problem with welsh people being brought up not being able to speak english properly. If it was the darkies in Birmingham bringing up their children only able to speak darky language, we would consider it bad for integration, causing ghettoisation, distrust and strife. But for some reason (probably because they are white) some people think it is OK for same to happen in Wales. It is child abuse really. Inflicting disadvantage on their children (assuming they ever want to leave the sheep farm and get a job elsewhere) in the name of fad and wokery and nationanlism. Nationalism is never a good thing and is always the cause or wars. The majority would only have spoken English because they weren't allowed to speak Welsh, the same colonialist attitude you are portraying. Migrants in Birmingham should learn the language of the country they have moved to, yamyam for a start😉. Welsh people in Wales should speak Welsh if they want. Whatever else, being bilingual increases brain development. For a migrant to another country to expect they speak his language just because he's there in a shop etc is being an entitled twat. But if you can't speak the language of the country you live in, you are at a big disadvantage. When adults come to live in UK and don't speak the lingo, that is unavoidable, but their children should be brought up to speak English. Of course there is no reason not to speak their mother tongue as well, but it is important to be fluent in English.
I come back to the point that using different languages is divisionist and the cause or at least exacerbation of conflict
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 28, 2024 13:00:54 GMT
The central point is that it is wales, where most people spoke english as their first language, until it became fashionable to be isolationist and speak welsh. I don't have a problem with welsh people speaking welsh, I do have a problem with welsh people being brought up not being able to speak english properly. If it was the darkies in Birmingham bringing up their children only able to speak darky language, we would consider it bad for integration, causing ghettoisation, distrust and strife. But for some reason (probably because they are white) some people think it is OK for same to happen in Wales. It is child abuse really. Inflicting disadvantage on their children (assuming they ever want to leave the sheep farm and get a job elsewhere) in the name of fad and wokery and nationanlism. Nationalism is never a good thing and is always the cause or wars. You won’t find a child of primary school age or older who can’t speak English properly. The historical resentment stems from the days when children were punished in school if they were heard to speak Welsh whether it was in the classroom or the playground. But if they go to an all-welsh school, how will they be able to speak english properly?
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 28, 2024 13:05:00 GMT
You won’t find a child of primary school age or older who can’t speak English properly. The historical resentment stems from the days when children were punished in school if they were heard to speak Welsh whether it was in the classroom or the playground. But if they go to an all-welsh school, how will they be able to speak english properly? Because outside of school they all speak English? Also TV, video games etc are all in English Sports clubs, swimming lessons gym etc, all in English Shops, all in English They speak to each other in English Many speak to their parents in English. I know of siblings who speak to each other in English despite having parents that don’t speak Welsh and could get away with murder if there was something they wished to keep from the parents!
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Post by dogless on Feb 28, 2024 13:08:56 GMT
If you go to an English speaking school how can you possibly learn Latin ?
Because it is taught!
It is Wales not Birmingham we're discussing.
Rog
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