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Post by kris on Mar 23, 2024 14:39:52 GMT
I wasn't knocking the devotees of Shiva, just the dope smokers who want to turn getting stoned into a holy activity. Met a few along the way like that. Art is inherently pointless in that it changes nothing. Except, perhaps, the beholder. Artists are, in the main, a bunch of flim-flam merchants. Illusionists. Possibly even 'magicians'. And now... a few words from my favourite artist and flim-flam man, once described as "possibly the most interesting Englishman alive today". Incidentally he also, like another beardy loon of our acquaintance, lives in Northamptonshire. Good job really, shiva is a pretty knarly dude I wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of him. But I do know the type of person you are talking about. As for artists being illusionists, magicians. They are the descendants of the shaman in our society, so that’s as it should be. I can’t think of the other beardy loon, as Tony lives in notts.
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Post by kris on Mar 23, 2024 14:44:24 GMT
I’m not talking in general, about other people. I’m asking a question of the people on this thread who’ve made the statement “it’s all pointless.” So if your not talking about what you think or feel, don’t bother replying. I’m really not interested in what these supposed “other people,” think. Everything's pointless unless you yourself get the point. I should have known better.
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Post by Jim on Mar 23, 2024 14:44:32 GMT
A sharpened stick might suffice! I'm married to an artist, she is driven to create, to draw, paint, render the world in her own way, has done this all her life. She has an amazing perception of colour, don't know whether that's learned or inherent. There have been such people amongst us since or before we stood upright. We delight in decoration, clay pots marked with fingerprints, string imprints etc.
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Post by kris on Mar 23, 2024 14:48:42 GMT
A sharpened stick might suffice! I'm married to an artist, she is driven to create, to draw, paint, render the world in her own way, has done this all her life. She has an amazing perception of colour, don't know whether that's learned or inherent. There have been such people amongst us since or before we stood upright. We delight in decoration, clay pots marked with fingerprints, string imprints etc. But what about conceptual art? You know the topic of the thread.
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Post by Jim on Mar 23, 2024 14:57:22 GMT
A sharpened stick might suffice! I'm married to an artist, she is driven to create, to draw, paint, render the world in her own way, has done this all her life. She has an amazing perception of colour, don't know whether that's learned or inherent. There have been such people amongst us since or before we stood upright. We delight in decoration, clay pots marked with fingerprints, string imprints etc. But what about conceptual art? You know the topic of the thread. How is it different, as a branch of art?My better half can do life-like portraits in oil or weird shit, old amstrad computer encased in Papier mache growth, as though it's been on the seabed for a thousand years. Currently working on slightly surreal views of the landscape surrounding us and the pylons that march across the hills, populated with crows and raptors.
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Post by dogless on Mar 23, 2024 15:08:39 GMT
Everything is pointless, so there’s no point in doing anything. So why do you get out of bed in the morning? Enjoying the passage of time by whatever means we choose or are able to enjoy it. Our lives are an incredible fluke ... less than 39 million sperm per ejaculation qualifies as a low sperm count ... and it take just one ! We have a limited time ... rarely do we know how long. Why wouldn't you look forward to getting out of bed in the morning ? Life is an occasion ... we should rise to it. Art, whilst having no real intrinsic value, can add to our experience can't it ? Rog
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Post by kris on Mar 23, 2024 15:16:27 GMT
Everything is pointless, so there’s no point in doing anything. So why do you get out of bed in the morning? Enjoying the passage of time by whatever means we choose or are able to enjoy it. Our lives are an incredible fluke ... less than 39 million sperm per ejaculation qualifies as a low sperm count ... and it take just one ! We have a limited time ... rarely do we know how long. Why wouldn't you look forward to getting out of bed in the morning ? Life is an occasion ... we should rise to it. Art, whilst having no real intrinsic value, can add to our experience can't it ? Rog your the one who said art is pointless “Isn't the point of art that it's pointless, merely an adornment, or to provoke a reaction and simply a matter of personal taste? Rog” I can only go by the words you write. Personally I think art has a very profound role to play in human society and is probably the highest form of human expression.
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Post by dogless on Mar 23, 2024 15:28:23 GMT
Because it is pointless, unless we appreciate it, and if we do it can then enhance our life experience don't you think.
It serves no real purpose ... like ear rings or tattoos ... it's just an adornment appreciated or not dependent on personal taste.
Rog
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Post by kris on Mar 23, 2024 15:40:40 GMT
I don’t think it’s pointless, I think it has a purpose. So I’ll have to disagree. I really don’t understand how you can compare the whole history of art to a pair of earrings or a tattoo.
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Post by dogless on Mar 23, 2024 15:58:34 GMT
As you say, we disagree.
Rog
ETA We've just been in the cathedral and admiring the four Burne-Jones stained glass windows, made by his friend William Morris. They are incredibly intricate and richly coloured and well worth visiting. However not being a man of faith, they are just pretty glass to me. A practising Christian may better appreciate the story they tell and the faith and devotion they represent. It's all in the perception.
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Post by brummieboy on Mar 23, 2024 16:15:25 GMT
I don’t think it’s pointless, I think it has a purpose. So I’ll have to disagree. I really don’t understand how you can compare the whole history of art to a pair of earrings or a tattoo. Given that you berated Jim and referred him to look up conceptual art, shall we get back on the thread? Yes, C.A. is art if the artist declares it so. Do I consider a can of soup as art? Yes, but it's very basic like the offering of a kindergarten pupil, but maybe more precise. As it seemed to gather pace in the 60's, one has to wonder whether there was any narcotic influence. There have always been people who push the boundaries in any profession, and I can well understand that if a person manages to sell a piece of 'artwork' for an unreasonable price such as Hirst or Emin, then human nature will take over and the chance of easy money instead of doing a proper job will always appeal. That wonderful folk hero, Banksy took it to another level when the 'man of the people' discovered a way of enhancing his profile, and no doubt his bank balance with anonimity, with drawings that were little different from a lot of other graffiti artists. Hieronymous Bosch did much the same in the 16th Century, but made little out of it before his death. With conceptual art, I always equate it with The Emperors New Clothes tale.
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Post by Jim on Mar 23, 2024 16:22:06 GMT
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