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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 19:25:58 GMT
You would have to take into account the fuel used to get it up. Or is it catapult launched?
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 31, 2018 19:29:26 GMT
You would have to take into account the fuel used to get it up. Or is it catapult launched? We harness passing reindeer. Oh all right then, 5 litres of AVGAS for the tug.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 19:30:52 GMT
I find the bit about not running the engine between 8pm and 8am quite funny where it says that this does not intend to prevent you moving the boat. It just shows the sort of dimwits CRT have to deal with.
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2018 19:32:53 GMT
Yes it isn’t easy to make no noise or smoke when you live on a boat in winter. However that is by the by. You are coming from a position whereby it is your right (subject to paying for a licence) to do so. Fine - while it lasts. My point is that one day, if the general public complain enough, it won’t be your right to do so. You will be able to protest all you like but as a tiny minority of citizens are live aboard boaters, it’s unlikely to have much effect. The better approach is for everyone to be as considerate as possible and then that puts off, maybe for ever, the prospect of losing the right to live aboard on line in urban areas with stove and genny. Don't tell me what position I'm coming from on this because you are wrong. The angle I'm coming from is cart are bunch of fuckwits for putting up a sign like that and pretending it's liscence terms and conditions. It suits certain elements in carts managment to use the complaints of local residents and use them as a reason for trying to legislate against livaboard boaters. I don't think I have ever said peopel shouldn't be considerate of each other. This resident in question doesn't seem to be very considerate of the waterways or the people who dwell on them, her main reasoning seems to be that they haven't paid £400,000 for a one bedroom flat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 19:34:41 GMT
You would have to take into account the fuel used to get it up. Or is it catapult launched? We harness passing reindeer. Oh all right then, 5 litres of AVGAS for the tug. Maybe what should be done is give every citizen a glider (mass production will bring the price down) launch them all for 5 litres of avgas followed by them all fannying about enjoying the view. That would keep them out of trouble and stop them burning up the planets resources
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2018 19:34:53 GMT
You would have to take into account the fuel used to get it up. Or is it catapult launched? We harness passing reindeer. Oh all right then, 5 litres of AVGAS for the tug. And how much fuel does your car burn to get there and back, plus on the times recovery of the glider is needed how much fuel is used for that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 19:40:41 GMT
Yes it isn’t easy to make no noise or smoke when you live on a boat in winter. However that is by the by. You are coming from a position whereby it is your right (subject to paying for a licence) to do so. Fine - while it lasts. My point is that one day, if the general public complain enough, it won’t be your right to do so. You will be able to protest all you like but as a tiny minority of citizens are live aboard boaters, it’s unlikely to have much effect. The better approach is for everyone to be as considerate as possible and then that puts off, maybe for ever, the prospect of losing the right to live aboard on line in urban areas with stove and genny. Don't tell me what position I'm coming from on this because you are wrong. The angle I'm coming from is cart are bunch of fuckwits for putting a sign like that and pretending it's liscence terms and conditions. It suits certain elements in carts managment to use the complaints of local residents and use them as a reason for trying to legislate against livaboard boaters. I don't think I have ever said peopel shouldn't be considerate of each other. This resident in question doesn't seem to be very considerate of the waterways or the people who dwell on them, her main reasoning seems to be that they haven't paid £400,000 for a one bedroom flat. I was discussing the signage topic with my cousin recently. She lives on a crt long term towpath mooring under the "waterside moorings" brand. They recently put a sign saying £150 if you stop on the site without being an agreement holder. Quite funny because I stopped behind them for 24h on my cc boat. The point is that she and even more so her bloke are pissed off by the signage. I think CRT are using signage to piss people off and feed the "CRT are useless fuckwits" attitude. Which leads nicely to the private management I think is coming. I really don't think CRT are that bad. I not a crt apologist but I think the alternative could be a lot worse. Another thing I have noticed is a drop in the level of enforcement recently. This is all leading to something and I don't think its going to be very pleasant for people who like the option to live on towpaths and have a quiet life.
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2018 19:49:07 GMT
Don't tell me what position I'm coming from on this because you are wrong. The angle I'm coming from is cart are bunch of fuckwits for putting a sign like that and pretending it's liscence terms and conditions. It suits certain elements in carts managment to use the complaints of local residents and use them as a reason for trying to legislate against livaboard boaters. I don't think I have ever said peopel shouldn't be considerate of each other. This resident in question doesn't seem to be very considerate of the waterways or the people who dwell on them, her main reasoning seems to be that they haven't paid £400,000 for a one bedroom flat. I was discussing the signage topic with my cousin recently. She lives on a crt long term towpath mooring under the "waterside moorings" brand. They recently put a sign saying £150 if you stop on the site without being an agreement holder. Quite funny because I stopped behind them for 24h on my cc boat. The point is that she and even more so her bloke are pissed off by the signage. I think CRT are using signage to piss people off and feed the "CRT are useless fuckwits" attitude. Which leads nicely to the private management I think is coming. I really don't think CRT are that bad. Im not a crt apologist but I think the alternative could be a lot worse. Another thing I have noticed is a drop in the level of enforcement recently. This is all leading to something and I don't think its going to be very pleasant for people who like the option to live on towpaths and have a quiet life. These £150 overstay charges signs on crt on line moorings are paving the way for the privatisation of the "waterside moorings" I wouldn't be surprised if they sell off the managment of these soon. I would be interested to know if anyone has received one of these penalties anywhere in the country yet. I'm sure carts plan is to get district enforcment to also deal with overstayers, but I think they are planing ahead with those signs. Yes your right there does seem to be drop in enforcment recently. Bw/cart have wanted people to have to have a mooring for along time so making living on the towpath as difficult as possible is one way of achieving this.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 31, 2018 19:53:09 GMT
Yes it isn’t easy to make no noise or smoke when you live on a boat in winter. However that is by the by. You are coming from a position whereby it is your right (subject to paying for a licence) to do so. Fine - while it lasts. My point is that one day, if the general public complain enough, it won’t be your right to do so. You will be able to protest all you like but as a tiny minority of citizens are live aboard boaters, it’s unlikely to have much effect. The better approach is for everyone to be as considerate as possible and then that puts off, maybe for ever, the prospect of losing the right to live aboard on line in urban areas with stove and genny. Don't tell me what position I'm coming from on this because you are wrong. The angle I'm coming from is cart are bunch of fuckwits for putting up a sign like that and pretending it's liscence terms and conditions. It suits certain elements in carts managment to use the complaints of local residents and use them as a reason for trying to legislate against livaboard boaters. I don't think I have ever said peopel shouldn't be considerate of each other. This resident in question doesn't seem to be very considerate of the waterways or the people who dwell on them, her main reasoning seems to be that they haven't paid £400,000 for a one bedroom flat. It’s not just one resident. You will always hate CRT. It seems to be built into your genes. An alternative view (the one which I’m trying to put forward) could be that CRT are trying to help boaters avoid draconian bylaws being introduced by local councils. But we know you will always look for the worst in CRT.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 31, 2018 19:54:23 GMT
We harness passing reindeer. Oh all right then, 5 litres of AVGAS for the tug. And how much fuel does your car burn to get there and back, plus on the times recovery of the glider is needed how much fuel is used for that? I haven’t landed out for at least 10 years.
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2018 19:58:36 GMT
Don't tell me what position I'm coming from on this because you are wrong. The angle I'm coming from is cart are bunch of fuckwits for putting up a sign like that and pretending it's liscence terms and conditions. It suits certain elements in carts managment to use the complaints of local residents and use them as a reason for trying to legislate against livaboard boaters. I don't think I have ever said peopel shouldn't be considerate of each other. This resident in question doesn't seem to be very considerate of the waterways or the people who dwell on them, her main reasoning seems to be that they haven't paid £400,000 for a one bedroom flat. You will always hate CRT. It seems to be built into your genes. My opinion of cart is not genetic, but comes from their actions towards myself and others as you well know. The point I'm trying to get across is that carts managment do not have livaboard boaters interests at heart. But as you said in your first post on this thread, you don't give a shit because it doesn't effect you.
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2018 19:59:30 GMT
And how much fuel does your car burn to get there and back, plus on the times recovery of the glider is needed how much fuel is used for that? I haven’t landed out for at least 10 years. How many miles there and back in your car?
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 31, 2018 20:07:43 GMT
All sounds a bit 'Draconian' to me
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2018 20:15:07 GMT
All sounds a bit 'Draconian' to me Yep, it's part and parcel of cart being a "wellbeing" charity as long as it's not the wellbeing of livaboard boaters or the waterways infrastructure.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 31, 2018 20:17:30 GMT
They can afford to maintain the system but there seems to me to be a deliberate running down of infrastructure and an active attempt to piss off as many people as possible. Why would this be happening ? I reckon its the lead up to a selloff. "Oh look people think this is all going wrong let's solve it by privatising". Its been my pet theory ever since CRT came in I hope I am wrong. I think you're right, and it was probably CRT's intention from the beginning to asset-strip and then run away when it goes down the pan. How many working for CRT now will pop up as directors or 'on the board' of the new private companies (such as District Enforcement (?), who owe those in CRT backhanders for giving them a lucrative remit). Grand Union Canal Ltd (head office in Saudi Arabia) Llangollen Canal PLC (head office in Hamburg) Kennet and Avon Inc. (head office in Chicago) These private companies are in it for The Dollar and won't be taking any lame excuses from those who can't pay.
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