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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2018 15:16:14 GMT
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Post by quaysider on Oct 31, 2018 15:33:40 GMT
oh fuck - that's going to be a "lot of knackered batteries" if folk adhere to it ... then again, WHO would?? -
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Post by peterboat on Oct 31, 2018 15:42:23 GMT
Bylaw? its all I can think of
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2018 15:44:41 GMT
I think they call it chancing there arm ?
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Post by patty on Oct 31, 2018 15:47:42 GMT
Oh my they do like their rules and regulations
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 31, 2018 15:54:14 GMT
Well firstly, the primary sin here is looking at Facebook for your tittle tattle. Secondly, it does say “Please”. You can of course disregard it and it isn’t a licence term/condition (and nor does it say it is). Let’s bear in mind this is London where there is a significant backlash against on-line live aboard boaters from land-residing neighbours. You can ignore it if you like - it will only get worse. Or you can try to be seen to be considerate to others, in which case any draconian anti-live-aboard measures are likely to be less easily justified.
Personally I don’t give a shit either way as I wouldn’t want to live in London, and especially not to live in london in some in-line slum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 16:07:44 GMT
I try to avoid mooring in residential areas, so I'm not bothered on a personal basis. However there does seem to be more of these 'quiet zone' type mooring signs dotted about. I noticed similar signs on the Aristotle Bridge 48 hour moorings in Oxford in September. It amused me because the moorings are at the side of a park. The little dears were making a hell of a noise in the park as we cruised by. I wouldn't want to moor within a mile! I'd sooner play with wasps Rog
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2018 16:12:07 GMT
Personally I don’t give a shit either way as I wouldn’t want to live in London, and especially not to live in london in some in-line slum. This is where the difference between being a leasure boater and a livaboard becomes apparent. What starts in London spreads around the country, look at the section 8 fiasco. Yes it does say please, but the bit at the bottom infers that they are liscence terms and conditions. I take my imformation from what ever source I like thanks, oh and Nick it is your liscence money as well as mine getting spent on this rubbish.when they are a poor organisation that can't even afford to look after the infrastructure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 16:34:47 GMT
They can afford to maintain the system but there seems to me to be a deliberate running down of infrastructure and an active attempt to piss off as many people as possible. Why would this be happening ?
I reckon its the lead up to a selloff. "Oh look people think this is all going wrong let's solve it by privatising".
Its been my pet theory ever since CRT came in I hope I am wrong.
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2018 16:38:11 GMT
I'm aware they can afford to maintain the infrastructure, but choose not to. They would rather spend money on signs like this one. I was reading something the other day sorry I can't remember where now, that it costs something like £32/hr for every hr of vounlnteer time, so it would be cheaper to employ lock keepers than have volunteers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 17:06:47 GMT
I was told that crt did a team building exercise with Bloomberg and that volunteers who turned up to help were paid £40. For a few hours I suppose . I'm not quite sure who paid them but would assume it was Bloomberg in this instance.
Weird shit going on plus bwml "sold" at least the management because I don't think they can sell the land. This is where vested interests start to push for private management of lengths of canal.
Here come universal towpath mooring fees me thinks.
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Post by kris on Oct 31, 2018 17:11:18 GMT
I think you are right about the privatisation of towpath mooring managment. I think they will be able to sell the land the marinas are on. What they've done around here this winter is make lots more exspensive winter moorings available. But they aren't anywhere near facilities, so what are people being asked to pay for? Mooring to the bank, I thought this was covered in the liscence cost.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 31, 2018 17:33:02 GMT
Personally I don’t give a shit either way as I wouldn’t want to live in London, and especially not to live in london in some in-line slum. This is where the difference between being a leasure boater and a livaboard becomes apparent. What starts in London spreads around the country, look at the section 8 fiasco. Yes it does say please, but the bit at the bottom infers that they are liscence terms and conditions. I take my imformation from what ever source I like thanks, oh and Nick it is your liscence money as well as mine getting spent on this rubbish.when they are a poor organisation that can't even afford to look after the infrastructure. The bit at the bottom doesn’t actually say anything significant, however it could be that there is an intent to pretend the TsandCs cover the point I suppose. Who knows? But anyway, can you not see that in places like London it is not just about what CRT want to do, it is also about pressure from nearby residents on their councillors and MPs to “do something about” generator/engine noise and chimney smoke. If boater’s just ignore the “please” signs, it will all end in tears with local (council) bylaws prohibiting nuisance from generators or chimneys. It is only a matter of time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 17:34:14 GMT
winter moorings are a bit of a protection racket. Knowing that living aboard off grid boats is basically more awkward in winter you can demand protection money.
I think they are illegal but not sure. They are handy to be fair. I imagine the lack of facilities is only a problem for people living on the boats. Quite a lot of winter moorings will be taken up by non occupied boats who flit from place to place in summer but want to rest for winter. Leisure boaters.
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Post by Jim on Oct 31, 2018 17:39:38 GMT
winter moorings are a bit of a protection racket. Knowing that living aboard off grid boats is basically more awkward in winter you can demand protection money. I think they are illegal but not sure. They are handy to be fair. I imagine the lack of facilities is only a problem for people living on the boats. Quite a lot of winter moorings will be taken up by non occupied boats who flit from place to place in summer but want to rest for winter. Leisure boaters. Oi! I resemble that remark. You live a life of leisure, on a boat, so you are a leisure boater.
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