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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 2, 2018 7:36:26 GMT
Driving on ice, however, depends on speed and the mass/momentum of the vehicle. Braking in itself can cause the vehicle to slew all over the shop. Now that it's Winter here, I set speeds for myself, driving at 60kmh (40mph) where I can do 80 (50) on dry asphalt, and although it's a drudge just trundling along and sees me going home 10 minutes later, there have been many times when I've been glad that I wasn't pushing it to breaking point. Whenever I see some large truck bombing my way (gravel lorries - nothing will stop them from coming through your windscreen!) I always slow down and sometimes stop, as the gap between mirrors is often just a handful of centimetres.
I can quickly only think of one example where slow speed is dangerous, and that's when it's foggy and some berk risking it may ram your back bumper.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 2, 2018 8:50:06 GMT
Driving on ice, however, depends on speed and the mass/momentum of the vehicle. Braking in itself can cause the vehicle to slew all over the shop. Now that it's Winter here, I set speeds for myself, driving at 60kmh (40mph) where I can do 80 (50) on dry asphalt, and although it's a drudge just trundling along and sees me going home 10 minutes later, there have been many times when I've been glad that I wasn't pushing it to breaking point. Whenever I see some large truck bombing my way (gravel lorries - nothing will stop them from coming through your windscreen!) I always slow down and sometimes stop, as the gap between mirrors is often just a handful of centimetres. I can quickly only think of one example where slow speed is dangerous, and that's when it's foggy and some berk risking it may ram your back bumper. Good point foxy. Wet roads also affect braking distances as do leaves, mud, cowshit etc. on the road. Also the braking systems of the vehicle itself, as mentioned earlier. None of this seems to faze the morons who run these courses, they continue to trot out their bullshit stopping distances as if the figures come straight from God. I'd like to lend one of these twats my little 80's motor bike which doesn't have great brakes at the best of times. Send him up a little country road in the foothills of the Pennines around this time of the year, just after all the oak trees have shed all their lovely leaves. I'd instruct the twat to keep within his legal speed limit (60mph) and ignore all the shit on the road from where the local farmer walks his cattle every day. After all, they don't tell you about the danger of that on the speed awareness course, do they? And then, when a local Chelsea tractor approaches with its Zenon or whatever lights shining onto your rain splattered helmet visor so you can't see the road any more I'd tell him not to worry, as long as he can still see the speedo, and he's below 60, he'll be fine, that's what the law says innit. To focus on speed, and speed alone, in the broader context of safe driving is dangerous and irresponsible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 8:54:05 GMT
Whilst not disagreeing with your post, the two 'facilitators' on my course didn't lecture at all.
All the information came from us, the participants, after all there was hundreds of years of driving experience in the room, and we all know what's right and wrong.
It wasn't a bad 4 hours.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 2, 2018 8:57:17 GMT
Driving on ice, however, depends on speed and the mass/momentum of the vehicle. Braking in itself can cause the vehicle to slew all over the shop. Now that it's Winter here, I set speeds for myself, driving at 60kmh (40mph) where I can do 80 (50) on dry asphalt, and although it's a drudge just trundling along and sees me going home 10 minutes later, there have been many times when I've been glad that I wasn't pushing it to breaking point. Whenever I see some large truck bombing my way (gravel lorries - nothing will stop them from coming through your windscreen!) I always slow down and sometimes stop, as the gap between mirrors is often just a handful of centimetres. I can quickly only think of one example where slow speed is dangerous, and that's when it's foggy and some berk risking it may ram your back bumper. Good point foxy. Wet roads also affect braking distances as do leaves, mud, cowshit etc. on the road. Also the braking systems of the vehicle itself, as mentioned earlier. None of this seems to faze the morons who run these courses, they continue to trot out their bullshit stopping distances as if the figures come straight from God. I'd like to lend one of these twats my little 80's motor bike which doesn't have great brakes at the best of times. Send him up a little country road in the foothills of the Pennines around this time of the year, just after all the oak trees have shed all their lovely leaves. I'd instruct the twat to keep within his legal speed limit (60mph) and ignore all the shit on the road from where the local farmer walks his cattle every day. After all, they don't tell you about the danger of that on the speed awareness course, do they? And then, when a local Chelsea tractor approaches with its Zenon or whatever lights shining onto your rain splattered helmet visor so you can't see the road any more I'd tell him not to worry, as long as he can still see the speedo, and he's below 60, he'll be fine, that's what the law says innit. To focus on speed, and speed alone, in the context of safe driving is dangerous and irresponsible. Let alone biking in the fens during sugar beet/potato harvest time, wet days on sea fronts where they still have f ing trams. Let alone the lovely big manhole covers right on the racing line and tossers who overfill their diesel tank and leave a generous deposit along the road. Areas around shoots who let f ing suicidal pheasants wander free and of course bloody dartmoor ponies that sleep on the tarmac after it has absorbed the heat of the day.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 2, 2018 9:06:09 GMT
Whilst not disagreeing with your post, the two 'facilitators' on my course didn't lecture at all. All the information came from us, the participants, after all there was hundreds of years of driving experience in the room, and we all know what's right and wrong. Yup, seen it on our 'EU-directive' courses (for bus/truck drivers). They are really just Mothers' Meetings with Drivers' Gossip. "By the way, guess what I saw last Tuesday morning... blah.. blah..blah." Would be a joke, except it's 150 Euros per course, plus another 50 every 5 years to get to keep your 'professional' licence. Rip-off all the way.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 2, 2018 9:32:06 GMT
Whilst not disagreeing with your post, the two 'facilitators' on my course didn't lecture at all. All the information came from us, the participants, after all there was hundreds of years of driving experience in the room, and we all know what's right and wrong. Yup, seen it on our 'EU-directive' courses (for bus/truck drivers). They are really just Mothers' Meetings with Drivers' Gossip. "By the way, guess what I saw last Tuesday morning... blah.. blah..blah." Would be a joke, except it's 150 Euros per course, plus another 50 every 5 years to get to keep your 'professional' licence. Rip-off all the way. Yes, I have the second (of five) CPC course next Saturday. Complete and total waste of time. The last time I did the CPC course in 2013, we spent an entire afternoon watching a powerpoint demonstration on what the driving licence categories are for mopeds, invalid carriages and track-laying vehicles steered by their tracks. Only saving grace is that the agency I work for are paying for my seven hours of mind-numbing boredom.
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Post by Jim on Dec 2, 2018 9:47:25 GMT
Breaking news! Drivers of multiple tonne death machines object to top up refresher training. Bugger the schoolchildren (and Migrants) in the back!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 2, 2018 10:13:20 GMT
Breaking news! Drivers of multiple tonne death machines object to top up refresher training. Bugger the schoolchildren (and Migrants) in the back! The point is Jim, that knowing what category of driving licence is required to drive a lawn mower does not enhance the safety of HGV drivers. In any event, since the Driver CPC is an attendance based course in which it is perfectly permissible to go to sleep in the corner for the entire seven hours it doesn't really serve any great purpose other than job creation for CPC trainers, and is therefore little more than a tax on work.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 2, 2018 11:28:04 GMT
Breaking news! Drivers of multiple tonne death machines object to top up refresher training. Bugger the schoolchildren (and Migrants) in the back! I'm sure you mean ignore the plight of the schoolchildren in the back, rather than anything else. Yes, I'm sure.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 2, 2018 14:42:29 GMT
Breaking news! Drivers of multiple tonne death machines object to top up refresher training. Bugger the schoolchildren (and Migrants) in the back! Not averse to having a run-through refresher, and my employer pays (although why I don't know, I have asked but there was a refusal to answer - bizarre). The daft thing is, that if I were to do a Charter across Finland/Scandinavia, there is no guide whatsoever that can tell me where low bridges and other hazards are!! THAT would be useful. As it is, I know every metre of the same track I drive on every day, no-one else knows my route like I do, no-one even knows what I do, apart from the lady in the Town Hall office who arranges the local traffic competitions - and she still hasn't sent me a list of the kids I'm supposed to have aboard (a legal requirement) since August!
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 2, 2018 14:43:07 GMT
Breaking news! Drivers of multiple tonne death machines object to top up refresher training. Bugger the schoolchildren (and Migrants) in the back! I'm sure you mean ignore the plight of the schoolchildren in the back, rather than anything else. Yes, I'm sure. Splutter! "Bugger the schoolchildren in the back!" Good thing I'm driving, and not Jimbo, eh?!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 2, 2018 15:00:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 16:25:52 GMT
That will all polish out with a bit of T-Cut
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Post by bodger on Dec 2, 2018 16:50:39 GMT
I guess we all have a tale to tell about the cops and speeding.
mine dates back to 1969, driving a Bedford Beagle van on a deserted A1 dual carriageway on a dull saturday afternoon, trying to get back to the smoke for a day off from site work.
plod picks me up at 55mph, trying to get up a bit of speed for the next uphill stretch.
unfortunately I already had 2 endorsements so it was automatic disqualification for 6 months.
surely a quick talking to would have sufficed?
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 2, 2018 18:38:39 GMT
That will all polish out with a bit of T-Cut
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