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Post by kris on May 10, 2016 7:09:24 GMT
The policy of divide and conquer has been very successful.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 7:16:30 GMT
The policy of divide and conquer has been very successful. Only because we are a disparate bunch of people.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 8:05:24 GMT
John I am absolutely "Fucking Stunned" about this continued mantra of yours about CC hogging the facilities.Can I beg you to accept that this is NOT occurring as widespread as you seem to believe.If you are talking Water and Sanitation Points they are empty from one hour to the next up and down the GU South,this John is a fact. What are you talking about when you mention these Loopholes? It is now, I admit a while since I came through London (this year I am going to jump up the country by trailer) but then it was solid with moored boats often doubled up in all the decent sensible spots (and quite a few that were not). to the point it was difficult finding a mooring spot for the night Now I admit that some areas you would want to moor up as a group for safety but everywhere was just so damned crowded as to make travelling through a chore. as regards a "loophole" are you seriously telling me that moving only 10 or 20 miles a year while claiming to be continuously cruising isn't having a giraffe ? The London problem isn't anywhere as bad as you mention. As mentioned, London does have affordable home issues but very few people would choose a boat to live on as a solution. A shelter home or council flat is preferable due to the conveniences. Like others on CWF you use the 'London problem' to justify your position on moorings as a whole. The vast majority of the waterways do not have a problem except for the one which is being created by people like yourself. How often do you go cruising BTW?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 8:16:43 GMT
The policy of divide and conquer has been very successful. ...and the ones who are doing it are probably not boaters as such...
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Post by kris on May 10, 2016 8:25:20 GMT
The policy of divide and conquer has been very successful. ...and the ones who are doing it are probably not boaters as such... Undoubtedly not boaters and actively anti boater, I think Mr symmonds off the cuff remark was probably a reflection of the attitude he has encounted among certain people whilst he's been at Crt.
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Post by peterboat on May 10, 2016 9:08:17 GMT
It is now, I admit a while since I came through London (this year I am going to jump up the country by trailer) but then it was solid with moored boats often doubled up in all the decent sensible spots (and quite a few that were not). to the point it was difficult finding a mooring spot for the night Now I admit that some areas you would want to moor up as a group for safety but everywhere was just so damned crowded as to make travelling through a chore. as regards a "loophole" are you seriously telling me that moving only 10 or 20 miles a year while claiming to be continuously cruising isn't having a giraffe ? London is barely worthy of comment John as both you and I have argued it several times,it is an anomaly simply because of the unique housing situation there. There is no distance recommendation by statute,CRT recommend a 20 mile minimum and people comply.If CRT are happy why should we be bothered?Like it or lump it John a boat has become a home for a lot of people,some vulnerable,some on low income,Doctors and Nurses its a broad spectrum.I would like to see more affordable moorings WHERE their required John but the usual suspects just go on relentlessly about Distance.It is taking us nowhere and as we sit tossing the same points of view over and over we miss an opportunity to debate more relevant solutions.I throw one into the mix, use it as a Thread Title, these Brownfield sites by the canal side,would they not be better developed as moorings for boaters than houses for millionaires? I mentioned the brownfield sites the other week which is basically what Tullys is they are cheap affordable moorings which is what is required. The problem might be that people might not want to pay/cant pay for them. I know one chap what falls into the wont pay, and he is now in enforcement I suspect soon he will either lose the boat or take it out
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Post by peterboat on May 10, 2016 9:10:16 GMT
What about the boat in Hebden Bridge parked at the water tap? Claimed her engine had broken so was 'stuck' there! Yep, handy place for engine to 'stop working'. Licence in window? Nope - what a surprise! And not just a piss-taker but a rude 'un as well! How about starting a list of boats parked at water taps and in other inconvenient spots? Post photos?! Facts first! Perhaps we could make a 2017 calendar of boats that have been parked at water taps & 48-hour visitor moorings for more than, say, 2 weeks. A couple of years ago this ^^^^^ happened in Goole someone cast him off in the night surprisingly his engine started then!!!
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Post by kris on May 10, 2016 9:33:19 GMT
What about the boat in Hebden Bridge parked at the water tap? Claimed her engine had broken so was 'stuck' there! Yep, handy place for engine to 'stop working'. Licence in window? Nope - what a surprise! And not just a piss-taker but a rude 'un as well! [ As you seem to have done a survey of the boats in hebden bridge, maybe you could tell us how many compliant boats there where. Just for the sake of balance you understand.
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Post by kris on May 10, 2016 9:35:34 GMT
Pete I completely agree about brownfield sites. This is what Crt would be doing if they honestly wanted to find a solution to the "problem." It would seem like a win win situation cut down on costly court proceedings and earn money from moorings. The question is why aren't they implementing something like you suggest.
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Post by loafer on May 10, 2016 9:37:45 GMT
John I am absolutely "Fucking Stunned" about this continued mantra of yours about CC hogging the facilities.Can I beg you to accept that this is NOT occurring as widespread as you seem to believe.If you are talking Water and Sanitation Points they are empty from one hour to the next up and down the GU South,this John is a fact. What are you talking about when you mention these Loopholes? It is now, I admit a while since I came through London (this year I am going to jump up the country by trailer) but then it was solid with moored boats often doubled up in all the decent sensible spots (and quite a few that were not). to the point it was difficult finding a mooring spot for the night Now I admit that some areas you would want to moor up as a group for safety but everywhere was just so damned crowded as to make travelling through a chore. as regards a "loophole" are you seriously telling me that moving only 10 or 20 miles a year while claiming to be continuously cruising isn't having a giraffe ?That is THE most puzzling output from CRT! A 20-mile range for a 'continuous cruise' is very silly indeed. It's more of a range for continuous MOORERS. Someone with a job locally or kids at school. Someone will be on here in minutes arguing that there are no laws against having kids AND a boat. But there ARE laws about staying in one place if it isn't your home mooring. Now can we get back to normal boating?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 10:22:56 GMT
What about the boat in Hebden Bridge parked at the water tap? Claimed her engine had broken so was 'stuck' there! Yep, handy place for engine to 'stop working'. Licence in window? Nope - what a surprise! And not just a piss-taker but a rude 'un as well! How about starting a list of boats parked at water taps and in other inconvenient spots? Post photos?! Facts first! Perhaps we could make a 2017 calendar of boats that have been parked at water taps & 48-hour visitor moorings for more than, say, 2 weeks. Whether a boat was broken down at Hebden Bridge or not is neither here nor there,you don't know if she was genuine or not instead you make assumptions. The lack of a License in a boat window does not mean an unlicensed boat,CRT will tell you that. As for starting lists, theres a few I would suggest starting,and your name would top them all.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 10:29:01 GMT
London is barely worthy of comment John as both you and I have argued it several times,it is an anomaly simply because of the unique housing situation there. There is no distance recommendation by statute,CRT recommend a 20 mile minimum and people comply.If CRT are happy why should we be bothered?Like it or lump it John a boat has become a home for a lot of people,some vulnerable,some on low income,Doctors and Nurses its a broad spectrum.I would like to see more affordable moorings WHERE their required John but the usual suspects just go on relentlessly about Distance.It is taking us nowhere and as we sit tossing the same points of view over and over we miss an opportunity to debate more relevant solutions.I throw one into the mix, use it as a Thread Title, these Brownfield sites by the canal side,would they not be better developed as moorings for boaters than houses for millionaires? I mentioned the brownfield sites the other week which is basically what Tullys is they are cheap affordable moorings which is what is required. The problem might be that people might not want to pay/cant pay for them. I know one chap what falls into the wont pay, and he is now in enforcement I suspect soon he will either lose the boat or take it out Peter there you go again with your won't pay,can't pay,something for nothing rubbish,predicting problems before they even happen,why? If this chap you know is in Enforcement and if its done legally and fairly then so what?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 10:49:29 GMT
It is now, I admit a while since I came through London (this year I am going to jump up the country by trailer) but then it was solid with moored boats often doubled up in all the decent sensible spots (and quite a few that were not). to the point it was difficult finding a mooring spot for the night Now I admit that some areas you would want to moor up as a group for safety but everywhere was just so damned crowded as to make travelling through a chore. as regards a "loophole" are you seriously telling me that moving only 10 or 20 miles a year while claiming to be continuously cruising isn't having a giraffe ?That is THE most puzzling output from CRT! A 20-mile range for a 'continuous cruise' is very silly indeed. It's more of a range for continuous MOORERS. Someone with a job locally or kids at school. Someone will be on here in minutes arguing that there are no laws against having kids AND a boat. But there ARE laws about staying in one place if it isn't your home mooring. Now can we get back to normal boating? Here you go again with your detox therapy,you come on here shouting about how happy you are to be retired,you the wife and the dog, on and on you go about bottles of Merlot and BBQ by the towpath.All retirement has achieved in your case is morphed you into a drunken opinionated halfwit,Note that I do you the service of assuming your condition wasn't always thus. You have opinions on everything and it doesn't seem to matter that you are an arriviste and perhaps don't know that much at all,there is no concern or empathy with others,no regard to the fact that these people will still have to work long past normal retirement age,you brook no opposition to your own perverted ideals as to how life should be lived on the canal meanwhile reclining in the comfort of your healthy pension and the knowledge that I'm alright Jack.Humility is what you need to learn and some empathy for others.
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Post by bills on May 10, 2016 12:07:32 GMT
That's quite rant. Naked envy is not a pretty sight.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 12:30:19 GMT
That's quite rant. Naked envy is not a pretty sight. Absolutely nothing to do with envy,its a forum opinions are here to be challenged. I am tired of the Posters continuous spiel about continuous cruisers,I have been one for 35 years and it all gets a bit monotonous both in its tone and also its inaccuracy I genuinely have never heard Loafer show any understanding of the problems facing the canals let alone offer up a few ideas or remedies and thats very sad. Can I ask you,CRT recommend 20 miles minimum per license period as constituting continuous cruising,people comply,non issue. Loafer has been challenged about these continuous moorers,he admits to knowing one.
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