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Post by JohnV on May 10, 2016 13:00:41 GMT
How often do you go cruising BTW? I have been trying to reply for over an hour but my signal is impossible. I've just walked up the yard to get a signal and am sitting outside typing this. How often do I go cruising ? What has that got to do with my opinions ? I don't think it is any of your business but as you seem to attach such importance to it. ....... 2015 nill .....I've been ill 2014 nill on inland waterways just a couple of hundred coastal ....... my wife was ill 2013 a bit of T&M, river Soar. GU to Limehouse plus some of the Thames and Tidal Thames and Tidal Medway ..........300 ish ? plus Manchester SC to Thames coastal. 2012 a busy year part T&M, river Trent, Fosdyke and Witham, Chesterfield (well up to Retford before the weed defeated me) S&SY , Aire & Calder, L&L, Bridgewater, T&M, Anderton Lift, river Weaver and more of the T&M plus probably another 1500 or so miles coastal. How far do you travel
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Post by bills on May 10, 2016 13:30:10 GMT
That's quite rant. Naked envy is not a pretty sight. Absolutely nothing to do with envy,its a forum opinions are here to be challenged. I am tired of the Posters continuous spiel about continuous cruisers,I have been one for 35 years and it all gets a bit monotonous both in its tone and also its inaccuracy I genuinely have never heard Loafer show any understanding of the problems facing the canals let alone offer up a few ideas or remedies and thats very sad. Can I ask you,CRT recommend 20 miles minimum per license period as constituting continuous cruising,people comply,non issue. Loafer has been challenged about these continuous moorers,he admits to knowing one.
Fair enough. I am not a continuous cruiser either. I have a few friends who are, who never seem to have the recurring problems with CRT which are constantly raised on this and the other forum. As I tend to trust the experiences of people whom I know personally rather than anonymous forum acquaintances, I usually try to avoid threads like this.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 13:50:54 GMT
Absolutely nothing to do with envy,its a forum opinions are here to be challenged. I am tired of the Posters continuous spiel about continuous cruisers,I have been one for 35 years and it all gets a bit monotonous both in its tone and also its inaccuracy I genuinely have never heard Loafer show any understanding of the problems facing the canals let alone offer up a few ideas or remedies and thats very sad. Can I ask you,CRT recommend 20 miles minimum per license period as constituting continuous cruising,people comply,non issue. Loafer has been challenged about these continuous moorers,he admits to knowing one.
Fair enough. I am not a continuous cruiser either. I have a few friends who are, who never seem to have the recurring problems with CRT which are constantly raised on this and the other forum. As I tend to trust the experiences of people whom I know personally rather than anonymous forum acquaintances, I usually try to avoid threads like this.
I didn't mean my reply to be as strident or as confrontational regarding yourself so I apologise if I have inadvertently upset you.Others have attempted to provide Loafer with an alternative narrative based on fact, but to no avail.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 15:28:29 GMT
How often do you go cruising BTW? I have been trying to reply for over an hour but my signal is impossible. I've just walked up the yard to get a signal and am sitting outside typing this. How often do I go cruising ? What has that got to do with my opinions ? I don't think it is any of your business but as you seem to attach such importance to it. ....... 2015 nill .....I've been ill 2014 nill on inland waterways just a couple of hundred coastal ....... my wife was ill 2013 a bit of T&M, river Soar. GU to Limehouse plus some of the Thames and Tidal Thames and Tidal Medway ..........300 ish ? plus Manchester SC to Thames coastal. 2012 a busy year part T&M, river Trent, Fosdyke and Witham, Chesterfield (well up to Retford before the weed defeated me) S&SY , Aire & Calder, L&L, Bridgewater, T&M, Anderton Lift, river Weaver and more of the T&M plus probably another 1500 or so miles coastal. How far do you travel Lots more than that including London last year. There are many others who have much more travelling experience whose opinions I respect more than my own. "What has it got to do with opinions"?"....well everything really. Nothing wrong with giving opinions, it's just that they are worth little if they are based on hearsay and speculation. This is one of the biggest problems we have along with the occasional P taking overstayer. Both sides of the minority taking the P are letting the vast majority down and CRT are loving it. Sorry to hear of the illnesses BTW, that's never nice regardless of our differences.
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Post by loafer on May 10, 2016 16:56:31 GMT
That is THE most puzzling output from CRT! A 20-mile range for a 'continuous cruise' is very silly indeed. It's more of a range for continuous MOORERS. Someone with a job locally or kids at school. Someone will be on here in minutes arguing that there are no laws against having kids AND a boat. But there ARE laws about staying in one place if it isn't your home mooring. Now can we get back to normal boating? Here you go again with your detox therapy,you come on here shouting about how happy you are to be retired,you the wife and the dog, on and on you go about bottles of Merlot and BBQ by the towpath.All retirement has achieved in your case is morphed you into a drunken opinionated halfwit,Note that I do you the service of assuming your condition wasn't always thus. You have opinions on everything and it doesn't seem to matter that you are an arriviste and perhaps don't know that much at all,there is no concern or empathy with others,no regard to the fact that these people will still have to work long past normal retirement age,you brook no opposition to your own perverted ideals as to how life should be lived on the canal meanwhile reclining in the comfort of your healthy pension and the knowledge that I'm alright Jack.Humility is what you need to learn and some empathy for others. Detox therapy? I don't consider myself in need of that, nor do the many who drink with me. I can't possibly have opinions on EVERYTHING - I have no opinions on the political threads, because I don't know enough about it. An arriviste? 'Ambitious and ruthlessly self-seeking'? Think you've got the wrong guy. I ran out of ambition in about 2006! Self-seeking? I know exactly where I am! I have plenty of empathy for others. Most people I know are still to retire, with most of my 'boating buddies' all needing to paint boats or fix kitchens for the rest of their lives. I help them all in some way, normally by improving their electrics. I did 2 over the last winter. We also have them round for dinner often and they never have to return it. I also understand the social problems of those less fortunate than myself. But I can't fix it for them. If I voted at all, I'd be very interested in NHS, welfare and housing issues for the poor and elderly. But I also don't think it is CRT's place to provide social housing respite, by giving free moorings for those at school or in work. Besides, some of the working boaters that I know have their mooring fees paid for them. That I agree with, but that's council, rather than CRT. My 'continuous cruising' opinions derive from the definition of it. You can't be on a continuous cruise, as it is currently defined, if you need to remain within a 20 mile range of some point. That's all. I would have no objection for there to be a THIRD type of license (you know what I mean) which allows continuous mooring away from VMs. I'd probably buy that one. Not sure where to go from there, cds. I'm not as eloquent as most of you guys. Over to you!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 17:28:56 GMT
Here you go again with your detox therapy,you come on here shouting about how happy you are to be retired,you the wife and the dog, on and on you go about bottles of Merlot and BBQ by the towpath.All retirement has achieved in your case is morphed you into a drunken opinionated halfwit,Note that I do you the service of assuming your condition wasn't always thus. You have opinions on everything and it doesn't seem to matter that you are an arriviste and perhaps don't know that much at all,there is no concern or empathy with others,no regard to the fact that these people will still have to work long past normal retirement age,you brook no opposition to your own perverted ideals as to how life should be lived on the canal meanwhile reclining in the comfort of your healthy pension and the knowledge that I'm alright Jack.Humility is what you need to learn and some empathy for others. Detox therapy? I don't consider myself in need of that, nor do the many who drink with me. I can't possibly have opinions on EVERYTHING - I have no opinions on the political threads, because I don't know enough about it. An arriviste? 'Ambitious and ruthlessly self-seeking'? Think you've got the wrong guy. I ran out of ambition in about 2006! Self-seeking? I know exactly where I am! I have plenty of empathy for others. Most people I know are still to retire, with most of my 'boating buddies' all needing to paint boats or fix kitchens for the rest of their lives. I help them all in some way, normally by improving their electrics. I did 2 over the last winter. We also have them round for dinner often and they never have to return it. I also understand the social problems of those less fortunate than myself. But I can't fix it for them. If I voted at all, I'd be very interested in NHS, welfare and housing issues for the poor and elderly. But I also don't think it is CRT's place to provide social housing respite, by giving free moorings for those at school or in work. Besides, some of the working boaters that I know have their mooring fees paid for them. That I agree with, but that's council, rather than CRT. My 'continuous cruising' opinions derive from the definition of it. You can't be on a continuous cruise, as it is currently defined, if you need to remain within a 20 mile range of some point. That's all. I would have no objection for there to be a THIRD type of license (you know what I mean) which allows continuous mooring away from VMs. I'd probably buy that one. Not sure where to go from there, cds. I'm not as eloquent as most of you guys. Over to you! Total crap loafer. 20 miles, 30 miles or whatever. As long as your not in the same place for longer than 14 days, your continuously moving-cruising. The very definitive is simple, your just trying to contrive and implement something that suits your personal agenda.
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Post by loafer on May 10, 2016 17:52:43 GMT
Detox therapy? I don't consider myself in need of that, nor do the many who drink with me. I can't possibly have opinions on EVERYTHING - I have no opinions on the political threads, because I don't know enough about it. An arriviste? 'Ambitious and ruthlessly self-seeking'? Think you've got the wrong guy. I ran out of ambition in about 2006! Self-seeking? I know exactly where I am! I have plenty of empathy for others. Most people I know are still to retire, with most of my 'boating buddies' all needing to paint boats or fix kitchens for the rest of their lives. I help them all in some way, normally by improving their electrics. I did 2 over the last winter. We also have them round for dinner often and they never have to return it. I also understand the social problems of those less fortunate than myself. But I can't fix it for them. If I voted at all, I'd be very interested in NHS, welfare and housing issues for the poor and elderly. But I also don't think it is CRT's place to provide social housing respite, by giving free moorings for those at school or in work. Besides, some of the working boaters that I know have their mooring fees paid for them. That I agree with, but that's council, rather than CRT. My 'continuous cruising' opinions derive from the definition of it. You can't be on a continuous cruise, as it is currently defined, if you need to remain within a 20 mile range of some point. That's all. I would have no objection for there to be a THIRD type of license (you know what I mean) which allows continuous mooring away from VMs. I'd probably buy that one. Not sure where to go from there, cds. I'm not as eloquent as most of you guys. Over to you! Total crap loafer. 20 miles, 30 miles or whatever. As long as your not in the same place for longer than 14 days, your continuously moving-cruising. The very definitive is simple, your just trying to contrive and implement something that suits your personal agenda. Well, I'll have to disagree with you until CRT change their mention of schools and employment as being unacceptable reasons for not having a home mooring. I'm not sure of the actual words and can't be arsed to look them up. I'm sure either you or cds will quote them for me. Anyway, if all your dreams come true and you get what you want, legally, then I'll bow to it.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 17:57:44 GMT
Total crap loafer. 20 miles, 30 miles or whatever. As long as your not in the same place for longer than 14 days, your continuously moving-cruising. The very definitive is simple, your just trying to contrive and implement something that suits your personal agenda. Well, I'll have to disagree with you until CRT change their mention of schools and employment as being unacceptable reasons for not having a home mooring. I'm not sure of the actual words and can't be arsed to look them up. I'm sure either you or cds will quote them for me. Anyway, if all your dreams come true and you get what you want, legally, then I'll bow to it. Having to send your kids to school or having employment in the area are not unacceptable reasons for not having a home mooring. Even in CRT's eyes (which is not backed in law) they are only unacceptable reasons for staying on the same area or mooring. No wonder the truth gets distorted on forums with posts like that.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 17:58:13 GMT
Here you go again with your detox therapy,you come on here shouting about how happy you are to be retired,you the wife and the dog, on and on you go about bottles of Merlot and BBQ by the towpath.All retirement has achieved in your case is morphed you into a drunken opinionated halfwit,Note that I do you the service of assuming your condition wasn't always thus. You have opinions on everything and it doesn't seem to matter that you are an arriviste and perhaps don't know that much at all,there is no concern or empathy with others,no regard to the fact that these people will still have to work long past normal retirement age,you brook no opposition to your own perverted ideals as to how life should be lived on the canal meanwhile reclining in the comfort of your healthy pension and the knowledge that I'm alright Jack.Humility is what you need to learn and some empathy for others. Detox therapy? I don't consider myself in need of that, nor do the many who drink with me. I can't possibly have opinions on EVERYTHING - I have no opinions on the political threads, because I don't know enough about it. An arriviste? 'Ambitious and ruthlessly self-seeking'? Think you've got the wrong guy. I ran out of ambition in about 2006! Self-seeking? I know exactly where I am! I have plenty of empathy for others. Most people I know are still to retire, with most of my 'boating buddies' all needing to paint boats or fix kitchens for the rest of their lives. I help them all in some way, normally by improving their electrics. I did 2 over the last winter. We also have them round for dinner often and they never have to return it. I also understand the social problems of those less fortunate than myself. But I can't fix it for them. If I voted at all, I'd be very interested in NHS, welfare and housing issues for the poor and elderly. But I also don't think it is CRT's place to provide social housing respite, by giving free moorings for those at school or in work. Besides, some of the working boaters that I know have their mooring fees paid for them. That I agree with, but that's council, rather than CRT. My 'continuous cruising' opinions derive from the definition of it. You can't be on a continuous cruise, as it is currently defined, if you need to remain within a 20 mile range of some point. That's all. I would have no objection for there to be a THIRD type of license (you know what I mean) which allows continuous mooring away from VMs. I'd probably buy that one. Not sure where to go from there, cds. I'm not as eloquent as most of you guys. Over to you! Firstly I am glad you took your "kick up the arse" like a man,I have no axe to grind with you only some of the drivel you spout,so let me explain. Nobody is asking CRT to provide Social Housing Respite for those at school or in work no more than they are asking for respite for people such as yourself,we all arrived here by the same route. Noone has asked for free mooring,I don't know why you think that ? People have asked for more affordable moorings and this is obviously quite different.You then go on to talk of people claiming housing benefit to pay their Mooring Fees and how you prefer that option to CRT paying for the Mooring.CRT have NEVER paid anyones mooring fees,have never been asked to pay anyones mooring fee,nor should they,again I don't know where you get that idea from. The definition of continuous cruising as per the dictionary has no bearing on the Canals so as your opinions are tied to the Dictionary Definition they also by logic have no bearing on the canals either.Think about that point because it is key. CRT strangely enough recognise the imbalance also,they are caught in a cleft stick some may argue with a License and an Act not fit for purpose.In the South East there are few affordable moorings,years ago BW went over to a bidding system that priced many on low income out of the market,people from Surrey would bid into the thousands just in order to have what was effectively a Holiday Cottage moored in somewhere like Marsworth ,this and an ever increasing "boating population" have effectively done for affordable moorings on the GU South.Many boaters are now stranded with a continuous cruiser license when what they really want and need is a Mooring.Housing Benefit complicates matters further as these recipients clog up many marinas and that is before you consider the ageing demographic of boaters also. I firmly believe that the 20 mile recommendation allows for people to maintain both jobs and kids at school it allows for movement and doesn't disenfranchise people from society all to the good, As regards to abuse of visitors moorings,I have never seen anyone continuously moored on a VM and CRTS charging policy will no doubt enforce that.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 18:09:34 GMT
Total crap loafer. 20 miles, 30 miles or whatever. As long as your not in the same place for longer than 14 days, your continuously moving-cruising. The very definitive is simple, your just trying to contrive and implement something that suits your personal agenda. Well, I'll have to disagree with you until CRT change their mention of schools and employment as being unacceptable reasons for not having a home mooring. I'm not sure of the actual words and can't be arsed to look them up. I'm sure either you or cds will quote them for me. Anyway, if all your dreams come true and you get what you want, legally, then I'll bow to it. This whole issue does not evolve around employment and schooling. (noted that you have grasped this particular straw). Today at Milton Keynes for example, saw people turn up from all walks of life. All with different issues, but with one thing in common, the concern about where the trust are taking the canals. That is an issue that needs to be adressed, and some will push that cause, whilst you sit in the pub puffing out the same old drivel because you need to hide the fact that you don't give a toss. Your just on the canals for a cheap lifestyle.
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Post by loafer on May 10, 2016 18:12:44 GMT
Well, I'll have to disagree with you until CRT change their mention of schools and employment as being unacceptable reasons for not having a home mooring. I'm not sure of the actual words and can't be arsed to look them up. I'm sure either you or cds will quote them for me. Anyway, if all your dreams come true and you get what you want, legally, then I'll bow to it. This whole issue does not evolve around employment and schooling. (noted that you have grasped this particular straw). Today at Milton Keynes for example, saw people turn up from all walks of life. All with different issues, but with one thing in common, the concern about where the trust are taking the canals. That is an issue that needs to be adressed, and some will push that cause, whilst you sit in the pub puffing out the same old drivel because you need to hide the fact that you don't give a toss. Your just on the canals for a cheap lifestyle. For a cheap lifestyle? You couldn't be further from the truth! Silly person. I've wanted to live on the canals for over 30 years.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 18:14:15 GMT
This whole issue does not evolve around employment and schooling. (noted that you have grasped this particular straw). Today at Milton Keynes for example, saw people turn up from all walks of life. All with different issues, but with one thing in common, the concern about where the trust are taking the canals. That is an issue that needs to be adressed, and some will push that cause, whilst you sit in the pub puffing out the same old drivel because you need to hide the fact that you don't give a toss. Your just on the canals for a cheap lifestyle. For a cheap lifestyle? You couldn't be further from the truth! Silly person. I've wanted to live on the canals for over 30 years. Given your reply, I reckon I hit the nail square on the head.
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Post by loafer on May 10, 2016 18:16:01 GMT
For a cheap lifestyle? You couldn't be further from the truth! Silly person. I've wanted to live on the canals for over 30 years. Given your reply, I reckon I hit the nail square on the head. Ha! You go and reckon whatever you like! You're not looking at the face of concern!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 18:25:39 GMT
You're not looking at the face of concern! I think that's exactly what I have pointed out.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 18:28:21 GMT
Given your reply, I reckon I hit the nail square on the head. Ha! You go and reckon whatever you like! You're not looking at the face of concern! Why don't you read my reply and give your considered thoughts on what I have posted. Do you understand that you have things wrong?
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