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Post by Telemachus on May 18, 2017 21:59:15 GMT
Well I do side with the Lib Dems a bit who, despite their bad press whipped up by the right wing media, did a good job of keeping the tories reasonably in check when there was a coalition. That idealistic but foolish man who is leader of Labour is unfortunately rather selfish. If he was a good and sensible man he would resign and allow someone else to lead who stands a chance of being elected. But that is not going to happen this side of the election.
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Post by Telemachus on May 18, 2017 22:02:46 GMT
She can still do whatever the fuck she wants and we can't do a blind thing to stop it.
She CAN do whatever the fuck she wants - if she gets a majority - because the voters voted for her! That is democracy! The country gets the government it deserves. If you are saying that you want the government you want, and the hell with what the majority votes for, then you don't believe in democracy and do believe in some kind of totalitarianism. But you are too late for 1984!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 22:02:47 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn.
Diane Abbott.
Enough said.
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Post by JohnV on May 18, 2017 22:07:00 GMT
But that's the point. If she wins a big enough victory that even if all the other parties and independents band together, which they never will. She can still do whatever the fuck she wants and we can't do a blind thing to stop it. Whichever way you lean and even if you can't see the Tory drivel for the site it is. Surely you want to be able to say no, or someone or your behalf, if you disagree with her? but I don't disagree with her. Of all the politicians there are around at the moment I believe she is the best we have to negotiate with the EU, to get the smoothest exit. If you disagree with her then vote for who you think is the closest to your ideals. ....... if they get in then you will get what you want ....... if they don't then it means that most people don't agree with you, suck it up, It's called democracy ...... to paraphrase Churchill .... a bad system but it will do until we invent something better
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Post by gigoguy on May 18, 2017 22:10:41 GMT
Well I do side with the Lib Dems a bit who, despite their bad press whipped up by the right wing media, did a good job of keeping the tories reasonably in check when there was a coalition. That idealistic but foolish man who is leader of Labour is unfortunately rather selfish. If he was a good and sensible man he would resign and allow someone else to lead who stands a chance of being elected. But that is not going to happen this side of the election. Mr T I would expect more from another who hasn't had the benefit of a comprensivie sink sKool. He's the only leader who is talking any sense, any change and any hope. Who cares if he can't tie a fucking tie or doesn't kiss the queens bed socks or doesn't like the idea of blowing us all to kingdom come? He's there to fight for the best for the people of this country, not win a fashion parade or etiquette contest. Everything in the Tory disposable is there for the well off. NI increase, Income tax increase, VAT increase. Corporation tax decrease no transaction charge and on and on. And you can bet they'll make a shed more out of leaving the EU
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 22:11:35 GMT
I wouldn't bother, there aren't any. It's a shit hole. Come on. No one in their right mind can find anything at all in the thing that suggests anything is going to get better for anyone. Other than those who already have too much. She's even started to refer to it as Mayism for god sake. If she's mad now what's she going to be like after 3 months in power? You do spout some rubbish sometimes (in fact most of the time). I can find multiple examples of decent areas in most so called 'shit holes' in the UK and I don't actually think she has referred to it as Mayism. The press however have. So I would suggest you do some proper research before posting tripe.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 22:19:27 GMT
Well I do side with the Lib Dems a bit who, despite their bad press whipped up by the right wing media, did a good job of keeping the tories reasonably in check when there was a coalition. That idealistic but foolish man who is leader of Labour is unfortunately rather selfish. If he was a good and sensible man he would resign and allow someone else to lead who stands a chance of being elected. But that is not going to happen this side of the election. Mr T I would expect more from another who hasn't had the benefit of a comprensivie sink sKool. He's the only leader who is talking any sense, any change and any hope. Who cares if he can't tie a fucking tie or doesn't kiss the queens bed socks or doesn't like the idea of blowing us all to kingdom come? He's there to fight for the best for the people of this country, not win a fashion parade or etiquette contest. Everything in the Tory disposable is there for the well off. NI increase, Income tax increase, VAT increase. Corporation tax decrease no transaction charge and on and on. And you can bet they'll make a shed more out of leaving the EU Corbyn is dusting down his socialist cheque book. This is the one where you write the cheques, sign it but the money doesn't actually come out of your own account it conviently comes out of someone else's. Nice work if you can get it.
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Post by gigoguy on May 18, 2017 22:20:44 GMT
Well I do side with the Lib Dems a bit who, despite their bad press whipped up by the right wing media, did a good job of keeping the tories reasonably in check when there was a coalition. That idealistic but foolish man who is leader of Labour is unfortunately rather selfish. If he was a good and sensible man he would resign and allow someone else to lead who stands a chance of being elected. But that is not going to happen this side of the election. Mr T I would expect more from another who hasn't had the benefit of a comprensivie sink sKool. He's the only leader who is talking any sense, any change and any hope. Who cares if he can't tie a fucking tie or doesn't kiss the queens bed socks or doesn't like the idea of blowing us all to kingdom come? He's there to fight for the best for the people of this country, not win a fashion parade or etiquette contest. Everything in the Tory disposable is there for the well off. NI increase, Income tax increase, VAT increase. Corporation tax decrease no transaction charge and on and on. And you can bet they'll make a shed more out of leaving the EU Of coarse I believe in democracy and of coarse I believe people get the government they deserve. That doesn't mean I can't try to help them see sense before it's too late does it?
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Post by Telemachus on May 18, 2017 22:26:31 GMT
Well I do side with the Lib Dems a bit who, despite their bad press whipped up by the right wing media, did a good job of keeping the tories reasonably in check when there was a coalition. That idealistic but foolish man who is leader of Labour is unfortunately rather selfish. If he was a good and sensible man he would resign and allow someone else to lead who stands a chance of being elected. But that is not going to happen this side of the election. Mr T I would expect more from another who hasn't had the benefit of a comprensivie sink sKool. He's the only leader who is talking any sense, any change and any hope. Who cares if he can't tie a fucking tie or doesn't kiss the queens bed socks or doesn't like the idea of blowing us all to kingdom come? He's there to fight for the best for the people of this country, not win a fashion parade or etiquette contest. Everything in the Tory disposable is there for the well off. NI increase, Income tax increase, VAT increase. Corporation tax decrease no transaction charge and on and on. And you can bet they'll make a shed more out of leaving the EU Whether he talks sense, proposes change or engenders hope in some, is relevant only if he can get himself elected. I and I suspect most other people, don't care about his ties or bowing. I do care a bit about unilateral pacifism which has never worked in all of history. But mostly, I care that he doesn't have leadership skills, has split his party wide open, and doesn't have the gravitas or skills to represent our country on the world stage. He is a little fish in a big pond - out of his depth. He will never get elected.
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Post by peterboat on May 18, 2017 22:30:51 GMT
But that's the point. If she wins a big enough victory that even if all the other parties and independents band together, which they never will. She can still do whatever the fuck she wants and we can't do a blind thing to stop it. Whichever way you lean and even if you can't see the Tory drivel for the site it is. Surely you want to be able to say no, or someone or your behalf, if you disagree with her? I voted to leave the shit hole that is the EU no other party will deliver that so millions like myself will vote tory because none of the others can be trusted to do the job. Its a sad fact of life that people get old and require care, and unless taxes are raised dramatically it aint going to happen without some payment from the person receiving the care. Its no good looking to the rich for everything because the last time they were getting clobbered they buggered off to other countries [and took the cash with them] and in some cases companies closed down and jobs were lost, so we do need those rich people. Now I wouldnt trust corbyn to tie his shoe laces [ he might fall over and end up shagging abbot] on his own, and I wouldnt trust him with defending our country, as he has repeatedly sided with the IRA etc, not good really is it as a potential leader?
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Post by gigoguy on May 18, 2017 22:35:48 GMT
Mr T I would expect more from another who hasn't had the benefit of a comprensivie sink sKool. He's the only leader who is talking any sense, any change and any hope. Who cares if he can't tie a fucking tie or doesn't kiss the queens bed socks or doesn't like the idea of blowing us all to kingdom come? He's there to fight for the best for the people of this country, not win a fashion parade or etiquette contest. Everything in the Tory disposable is there for the well off. NI increase, Income tax increase, VAT increase. Corporation tax decrease no transaction charge and on and on. And you can bet they'll make a shed more out of leaving the EU Whether he talks sense, proposes change or engenders hope in some, is relevant only if he can get himself elected. I and I suspect most other people, don't care about his ties or bowing. I do care a bit about unilateral pacifism which has never worked in all of history. But mostly, I care that he doesn't have leadership skills, has split his party wide open, and doesn't have the gravitas or skills to represent our country on the world stage. He is a little fish in a big pond - out of his depth. He will never get elected. But he was elected as leader TWICE. And I'm not a press basher as far as labour are concerned, they're twats to everyone generally. But when they stop talking about running over peoples feet or whether or not he likes milk or cream in his coffee. People do respond well to his policies. He is a good leader, he fought off all the Tory Blairites and still formed a cabinet. Alright it's got Dianne Abbot in it. But then again I think Prince Philip would have made a better foreign secretary than the one we have. So I'd call that one even. To be a bit more serious than the friendly banter we've been having. Just have a look at the main points of the two manifestos and see which, you honestly deep down and for the good and fairness of all. Really believe offers any chance
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Post by Telemachus on May 18, 2017 22:44:44 GMT
Whether he talks sense, proposes change or engenders hope in some, is relevant only if he can get himself elected. I and I suspect most other people, don't care about his ties or bowing. I do care a bit about unilateral pacifism which has never worked in all of history. But mostly, I care that he doesn't have leadership skills, has split his party wide open, and doesn't have the gravitas or skills to represent our country on the world stage. He is a little fish in a big pond - out of his depth. He will never get elected. But he was elected as leader TWICE. And I'm not a press basher as far as labour are concerned, they're twats to everyone generally. But when they stop talking about running over peoples feet or whether or not he likes milk or cream in his coffee. People do respond well to his policies. He is a good leader, he fought off all the Tory Blairites and still formed a cabinet. Alright it's got Dianne Abbot in it. But then again I think Prince Philip would have made a better foreign secretary than the one we have. So I'd call that one even. To be a bit more serious than the friendly banter we've been having. Just have a look at the main points of the two manifestos and see which, you honestly deep down and for the good and fairness of all. Really believe offers any chance A main thrust of the labour policy is "tax the rich" which is fairly close to "eat the rich". Even though I am retired and no longer rich, I still think that "tax the rich" is a stupid policy born out of spite and envy.
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Post by JohnV on May 18, 2017 22:44:53 GMT
Well I do side with the Lib Dems a bit who, despite their bad press whipped up by the right wing media, did a good job of keeping the tories reasonably in check when there was a coalition. That idealistic but foolish man who is leader of Labour is unfortunately rather selfish. If he was a good and sensible man he would resign and allow someone else to lead who stands a chance of being elected. But that is not going to happen this side of the election. I would expect more from another who hasn't had the benefit of a comprensivie sink sKool. How odd, that you should consider that where you are educated, should have any bearing on your intelligence and your political nous. (although not having the benefit of a comprehensive school doesn't seem to assist with spelling)
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Post by gigoguy on May 18, 2017 22:52:43 GMT
But that's the point. If she wins a big enough victory that even if all the other parties and independents band together, which they never will. She can still do whatever the fuck she wants and we can't do a blind thing to stop it. Whichever way you lean and even if you can't see the Tory drivel for the site it is. Surely you want to be able to say no, or someone or your behalf, if you disagree with her? I voted to leave the shit hole that is the EU no other party will deliver that so millions like myself will vote tory because none of the others can be trusted to do the job. Its a sad fact of life that people get old and require care, and unless taxes are raised dramatically it aint going to happen without some payment from the person receiving the care. Its no good looking to the rich for everything because the last time they were getting clobbered they buggered off to other countries [and took the cash with them] and in some cases companies closed down and jobs were lost, so we do need those rich people. Now I wouldnt trust corbyn to tie his shoe laces [ he might fall over and end up shagging abbot] on his own, and I wouldnt trust him with defending our country, as he has repeatedly sided with the IRA etc, not good really is it as a potential leader? In the manufacto she says. 'Leave the Economic Union and forge closer links with our allies in Europe. The economic union no longer exists it is the European Economic COMMUNITY. What she means is. She'll dump all the workers rights and still trade tax and levy free with her rich mates on the continent. I don't have a problem with people paying for care when they are older. I don't see why old people get free bus travel. Most earn much more than me. But a system that means a poor old person has nothing left to pay for a funeral while a rich family only has to pay the first £100k is just wrong. I'm sorry but it's wrong. And what happens now with rich people? How much does Branson or Green or Goodwin or any of the other gob shites spend in this country? As for the IRA. I don't condone terrorism any more than I condone colonisation. We've just voted to leave the EEC and if we'd lost the 2nd world war. Some of us, me and you included probably, would be fighting to get it back.
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Post by gigoguy on May 18, 2017 22:54:51 GMT
I would expect more from another who hasn't had the benefit of a comprensivie sink sKool. How odd, that you should consider that where you are educated, should have any bearing on your intelligence and your political nous. (although not having the benefit of a comprehensive school doesn't seem to assist with spelling) I'm sure I read something about a meritocracy somewhere today. I think I also read about someone mentioning grammar schools?
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