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Post by JohnV on May 23, 2017 11:23:32 GMT
Intrigued about why you wouldn't be able to enjoy a prawn cocktail. The bible says shellfish are not to be eaten. But thinking about it, maybe a prawn isn't a shellfish (although it does have a shell of sorts)? Alright then, I wouldn't be able to eat oysters. But that would be a good thing as they're revolting! Bang goes my argument! No Lobster nor skate !!! blow that for a game of dominoes !!!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:33:48 GMT
Intrigued about why you wouldn't be able to enjoy a prawn cocktail. The bible says shellfish are not to be eaten. But thinking about it, maybe a prawn isn't a shellfish (although it does have a shell of sorts)? Alright then, I wouldn't be able to eat oysters. But that would be a good thing as they're revolting! Bang goes my argument! It does teach us not to be shellfish though...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:43:10 GMT
The bible says shellfish are not to be eaten. But thinking about it, maybe a prawn isn't a shellfish (although it does have a shell of sorts)? Alright then, I wouldn't be able to eat oysters. But that would be a good thing as they're revolting! Bang goes my argument! It does teach us not to be shellfish though... I can see some seriously crab puns coming.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:45:36 GMT
Interesting comment about the number of times 'love' is mentioned in the Quran on the Quara website..
""The word ‘love’ in the Qur’an appears on over 90 places but interestingly it doesn’t define the word love, but speaks about the very first consequencee of love - commitment. To Islam."
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:46:38 GMT
I'd love to mussel in but need to get back to plumbing the depths. Wish me well...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:46:46 GMT
It does teach us not to be shellfish though... I can see some seriously crab puns coming. Might be able to come up with some more at a pinch..
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 23, 2017 12:14:37 GMT
All this "we'll carry on as normal, we're stronger than them" is all well and good but further attacks are inevitable. Is it right to simply wait around for this to happen?
Obviously it's a complex problem but I think tough decisions need to be made. After all, the safety of its citizens should be any governmnt's primary aim.
I'll make a couple of tentative suggestions, to start things off:
1/ Britain announces that its armed forces are for the protection of British territories and nothing else. If there are conflicts in other parts of the world Britain should not get involved. Plenty of rich and developed countries take this stance. It seems that Britain is suffering from a long hangover from its colonial days, and can't get away from wanting to be an influence on world matters, including conflicts. Doing this should reduce the feelings of aggrievement those that go on to be suicide bombers and the like feel.
2/ An immediate curtailment of government funding to any education establishment that promotes one religion above another. I believe that the 'rights' of parents to have their children educated in their chosen religion (chosen by the parents, not the children) is massively outweighed by the right of wider society to have children educated in a more harmonious, religious neutral environment.
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Post by Telemachus on May 23, 2017 12:27:15 GMT
All this "we'll carry on as normal, we're stronger than them" is all well and good but further attacks are inevitable. Is it right to simply wait around for this to happen? Obviously it's a complex problem but I think tough decisions need to be made. After all, the safety of its citizens should be any governmnt's primary aim. I'll make a couple of tentative suggestions, to start things off: 1/ Britain announces that its armed forces are for the protection of British territories and nothing else. If there are conflicts in other parts of the world Britain should not get involved. Plenty of rich and developed countries take this stance. It seems that Britain is suffering from a long hangover from its colonial days, and can't get away from wanting to be an influence on world matters, including conflicts. Doing this should reduce the feelings of aggrievement those that go on to be suicide bombers and the like feel. 2/ An immediate curtailment of government funding to any education establishment that promotes one religion above another. I believe that the 'rights' of parents to have their children educated in their chosen religion (chosen by the parents, not the children) is massively outweighed by the right of wider society to have children educated in a more harmonious, religious neutral environment. Totally agree with #2. But perhaps not for the reasons you think. I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that schools are a breeding ground for extremism and radicalisation, this seems to happen later, after they've left school. As to #1, I'm unconvinced that it would actually make any difference. These "losers" as DT now likes to call them, just want to lash out at whatever is around them, so radicalised Muslims born and or living in the UK are going to perpetrate thei acts locally - because that is the easiest place to do so.
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Post by Telemachus on May 23, 2017 12:31:25 GMT
Anyway they are now wittering on about the youngest victim being 7, and that being the worst part of it. Can someone explain why a 7 year old being killed is worse than say a 12 year old? Hysterical mawkish populist bullshit.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 23, 2017 12:37:55 GMT
Anyway they are now wittering on about the youngest victim being 7, and that being the worst part of it. Can someone explain why a 7 year old being killed is worse than say a 12 year old? Hysterical mawkish populist bullshit. Quite agree. Something else I heard last night "This was an attack on the most vulnerable people in society" Correct me if I'm wrong, but until last night, it seemed generally accepted that the elderly and the disabled were the most vulnerable groups.
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Post by bodger on May 23, 2017 12:38:33 GMT
At the heart of most religions is the belief that we should love each other and the creation/creator. Sadly control freaks use religion to control people and pervert the real meaning . That's where the problem lies. Yes that's in there somewhere. But let's not forget that religion was invented and developed by man for the benefit of the inventors and their acolytes. What is also at the heart of most religions is the belief that "us" as believers are superior to "them" disbelievers. In other words inherent divisiveness, just the same, just as bad and dangerous, as nationalism (or tribalism, if you like). I watched 'Philomena' the other day ......... Irish nuns being totally hateful to young unmarried mothers and their children in their care, and professing that it was because they love and respect God, not people. In which case why don't they just butt out and go and live on a mountain top to be closer to the sky fairy? (I don't have a universal disrespect of nuns - there are definitely good and charitable orders as well as the bigoted bitches. Our kids went to a convent nursery and primary school where the nuns were brilliant. My son was born in a convent hospital in Malta where the nuns were equally brilliant.)
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 12:47:34 GMT
Anyway they are now wittering on about the youngest victim being 7, and that being the worst part of it. Can someone explain why a 7 year old being killed is worse than say a 12 year old? Hysterical mawkish populist bullshit. Quite agree. Something else I heard last night "This was an attack on the most vulnerable people in society" Correct me if I'm wrong, but until last night, it seemed generally accepted that the elderly and the disabled were the most vulnerable groups. I don't often agree with you but on this occasion I definitely do. I find that comment, which was said more than once pretty bizarre. At first I genuinely thought that those targeted were kids or young adults with disabilities who were on a group/organised trip to the concert. That being the case it would have been a valid comment. A bit of a daft thing to say IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 13:00:06 GMT
Yes that's in there somewhere. But let's not forget that religion was invented and developed by man for the benefit of the inventors and their acolytes. What is also at the heart of most religions is the belief that "us" as believers are superior to "them" disbelievers. In other words inherent divisiveness, just the same, just as bad and dangerous, as nationalism (or tribalism, if you like). I watched 'Philomena' the other day ......... Irish nuns being totally hateful to young unmarried mothers and their children in their care, and professing that it was because they love and respect God, not people. In which case why don't they just butt out and go and live on a mountain top to be closer to the sky fairy? (I don't have a universal disrespect of nuns - there are definitely good and charitable orders as well as the bigoted bitches. Our kids went to a convent nursery and primary school where the nuns were brilliant. My son was born in a convent hospital in Malta where the nuns were equally brilliant.) Yes, good and bad in everything, including religion. There do seem to be many ex-Catholics with a grudge.
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Post by Telemachus on May 23, 2017 13:26:10 GMT
I watched 'Philomena' the other day ......... Irish nuns being totally hateful to young unmarried mothers and their children in their care, and professing that it was because they love and respect God, not people. In which case why don't they just butt out and go and live on a mountain top to be closer to the sky fairy? (I don't have a universal disrespect of nuns - there are definitely good and charitable orders as well as the bigoted bitches. Our kids went to a convent nursery and primary school where the nuns were brilliant. My son was born in a convent hospital in Malta where the nuns were equally brilliant.) Yes, good and bad in everything, including religion. There do seem to be many ex-Catholics with a grudge. That's because Catholicism is based on guilt. And if folk finally realise that it's all bullshit, no wonder they bear a grudge against the religion that screwed up their lives.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 13:54:19 GMT
Yes, good and bad in everything, including religion. There do seem to be many ex-Catholics with a grudge. That's because Catholicism is based on guilt. And if folk finally realise that it's all bullshit, no wonder they bear a grudge against the religion that screwed up their lives. Nothing is black and white though. I don't think it's ALL bullshit. That would be like saying atheism is all bullshit. My view is that the truth is out there (to borrow a phrase) somewhere. If we become narrow minded and believe we are 100% sure about everything, we stop learning. That's why I have issues with labels and stereotyping. Once we decide to side with a particular label we end up doing things which we may not agree with in the name of that label. At the end of the day, it's best to be yourself but stay open to other views.
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