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Post by Telemachus on May 23, 2017 14:08:38 GMT
That's because Catholicism is based on guilt. And if folk finally realise that it's all bullshit, no wonder they bear a grudge against the religion that screwed up their lives. Nothing is black and white though. I don't think it's ALL bullshit. That would be like saying atheism is all bullshit. My view is that the truth is out there (to borrow a phrase) somewhere. If we become narrow minded and believe we are 100% sure about everything, we stop learning. That's why I have issues with labels and stereotyping. Once we decide to side with a particular label we end up doing things which we may not agree with in the name of that label. At the end of the day, it's best to be yourself but stay open to other views. Atheism cannot be "bullshit" since it is the absence of something. It would be like saying a vacuum (absence of air) is bullshit. Religion, certainly Christianity and Islam, IS all bullshit, a fairy tale told to keep people in order and behaving themselves. Clearly, as a scientist I am fully aware that we don't understand everything in the universe, but inventing an old man with a beard sitting on a cloud, or that somehow our planet is special out of the millions of billions of other planets in the universe, is pure bullshit. If there is a god, where did he come from and who created him (it)? (Occam's razor applies) and also why the fuck should he (it) be so interested in the foolish goings on of the most damaging infestation of this otherwise unspectacular planet? Whilst I'm at it, with the old testament full of lies about the origins of the earth and life thereupon, you would have to pretty foolish to consider any of the other stuff in it to have any more merit.
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Post by lollygagger on May 23, 2017 14:17:34 GMT
That ^ saved me some typing. I will add that claiming responsibility for a few good things that are just natural human behaviour doesn't wash either.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 14:39:41 GMT
Religion is just a philosophy but with an agenda that sets out to control people by fear. Many people feel the need to 'believe' in something as it sort of gives them direction in life. When you get religious zealots (of whatever persuasion) saying 'believe and act on this and don't question me because I am right' this is where the problems occur.
Most people that have a religion are harmless and just trying to muddle through life the best they can, lets not forget that.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 23, 2017 14:59:03 GMT
Anyway they are now wittering on about the youngest victim being 7, and that being the worst part of it. Can someone explain why a 7 year old being killed is worse than say a 12 year old? Hysterical mawkish populist bullshit. Quite agree. Something else I heard last night "This was an attack on the most vulnerable people in society" Correct me if I'm wrong, but until last night, it seemed generally accepted that the elderly and the disabled were the most vulnerable groups. Well not really, since both the elderly and the disabled vary widely in their ability to be hurt or wounded. A world champion heavyweight boxer who had his leg amputated would be disabled but he wouldn't be as vulnerable as the average two-legged seven year old girl.
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Post by Telemachus on May 23, 2017 15:11:05 GMT
Most people that have a religion are harmless and just trying to muddle through life the best they can, lets not forget that. This is the same sort of argument that people viewing recorded child porn on the internet like to proffer. "The kids have already been abused, so I'm not making anything worse" etc. What they are of course doing, is propping up a system which, in the case of organised religion, has war, murder, control, wealth, division, prejudice and tribalism at its heart. In fact the paedophiles are the better people because in general they don't kill thousands or millions each year in the name of their fantasy. The religious can't even agree amongst themselves - look at the wars of Catholics vs protestants, Sunni vs Shia etc. Nope, overall religion is a force for evil and should be banned. Having the blinkers on is no excuse.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 15:15:11 GMT
That's because Catholicism is based on guilt. And if folk finally realise that it's all bullshit, no wonder they bear a grudge against the religion that screwed up their lives. Nothing is black and white though. I don't think it's ALL bullshit. That would be like saying atheism is all bullshit. My view is that the truth is out there (to borrow a phrase) somewhere. If we become narrow minded and believe we are 100% sure about everything, we stop learning. That's why I have issues with labels and stereotyping. Once we decide to side with a particular label we end up doing things which we may not agree with in the name of that label. At the end of the day, it's best to be yourself but stay open to other views. Zebras are Black and White. Some dogs. Some vinyl kitchen tiles. And other things. To say nothing is black and white is rather naïve.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 15:21:22 GMT
Most people that have a religion are harmless and just trying to muddle through life the best they can, lets not forget that. Nope, overall religion is a force for evil and should be banned. Having the blinkers on is no excuse. So how do you think I should think about my parents plus numerous friends? Treat them like pedophiles? Get real, I can't change the world but I can influence it a bit. How do you suggest people cope with the 'big' questions about life - blindly follow what you think or what, ban everything you disagree with?
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Post by naughtyfox on May 23, 2017 15:36:31 GMT
""The word ‘love’ in the Qur’an appears on over 90 places but interestingly it doesn’t define the word love, but speaks about the very first consequencee of love - commitment. To Islam." Commitment or slavery? When I woke up this morning, as The Witch was coming with me to work, she had the TV open and of course the first thing I heard was 'Manchester'. Now it means something to her as she has been many times to/through Manchester in the past couple of years (and before then on our way to the Lake District). I haven't listened to or watched the 'News' today - I thought I would rely on Thunderboat to work out what it was all about. Of course I thought it's another "lone wolf with mental issues" - there do seem to be an awful lot of "lone wolves" about - maybe they should form a club and get to know each other? And then I see here on TB Islam has been raised - why? Has the identity of the bomber(s?) been confirmed? And the answer to why? The Witch says she heard on the radio that a woman observed another woman behaving suspiciously within the stadium and was so concerned she reported it to 'Security' who apparently did nothing. Anything on this? Who were those Security chappies, then? As I value the opinions of Thunderboaters I'll not read the Daily Mail for a while (perhaps tomorrow?) and see how it pans out on here. I think Thunderboat has a way of shaking the chaff down the colander and leaving the golden nuggets.
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Post by Telemachus on May 23, 2017 15:59:10 GMT
Nope, overall religion is a force for evil and should be banned. Having the blinkers on is no excuse. So how do you think I should think about my parents plus numerous friends? Treat them like pedophiles? Get real, I can't change the world but I can influence it a bit. How do you suggest people cope with the 'big' questions about life - blindly follow what you think or what, ban everything you disagree with? I suggest you think about your parents and numerous friends as if they were low level paedophiles. Harmless, just looking etc but ultimately propping up an evil system. I would treat paedophikes with sadness because they are ill or at best unable to control their feelings. They need to be treated, not demonised in the populist style. Same for folk who believe in an old man in a cloud, a vengeful god (if you're Irish) or a god who thinks anyone who doesn't believe or is gay should be exterminated. Treatment. Maybe ECT with a few thousand volts through the brain would do it? as to the big questions in life, for me it is "should I go gliding or boating". I am not so arrogant as to think that there is some divine purpose to my existence. I am just a (sometimes) happy coincidental product of the laws of physics, and the passage of an awful lot of time. As to where the universe came from, what was before the Big Bang etc well I don't know and we will,never know in my lifetime. But one thing is for sure, inventing an intermediary (god) doesn't answer the question, it merely puts it back a level to "where did god come from / who created god". So, pretty fatuous. Finally no, I don't think everything I disagree with should be banned. Apparently some people actually like X factor! But I do think that the one thing that has caused the most strife, suffering, death and destruction in the world, over thousands of years (religion) should be banned. There could be a list for things that should be banned, religion would be at the top and X factor would be quite a long way down. At number 5 at least.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 16:36:36 GMT
Police have named the vile murdering odious bastard.... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40020168Salman Abedi, 22, has been named by police as the suspected suicide bomber who killed 22 people and injured 59 at Manchester Arena on Monday night.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 16:46:51 GMT
Police have named the vile murdering odious bastard.... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40020168Salman Abedi, 22, has been named by police as the suspected suicide bomber who killed 22 people and injured 59 at Manchester Arena on Monday night.Your first sentence is far too easy to write. Makes you sound like a real tosspot in my opinion. Do you really believe this was an evil individual? Far more likely he was someone who had problems and was groomed by the real scum who need dealing with but are untouchable.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 23, 2017 16:47:35 GMT
So how do you think I should think about my parents plus numerous friends? Treat them like pedophiles? Get real, I can't change the world but I can influence it a bit. How do you suggest people cope with the 'big' questions about life - blindly follow what you think or what, ban everything you disagree with? I suggest you think about your parents and numerous friends as if they were low level paedophiles. Harmless, just looking etc but ultimately propping up an evil system. I would treat paedophikes with sadness because they are ill or at best unable to control their feelings. They need to be treated, not demonised in the populist style. Same for folk who believe in an old man in a cloud, a vengeful god (if you're Irish) or a god who thinks anyone who doesn't believe or is gay should be exterminated. Treatment. Maybe ECT with a few thousand volts through the brain would do it? as to the big questions in life, for me it is "should I go gliding or boating". I am not so arrogant as to think that there is some divine purpose to my existence. I am just a (sometimes) happy coincidental product of the laws of physics, and the passage of an awful lot of time. As to where the universe came from, what was before the Big Bang etc well I don't know and we will,never know in my lifetime. But one thing is for sure, inventing an intermediary (god) doesn't answer the question, it merely puts it back a level to "where did god come from / who created god". So, pretty fatuous. Finally no, I don't think everything I disagree with should be banned. Apparently some people actually like X factor! But I do think that the one thing that has caused the most strife, suffering, death and destruction in the world, over thousands of years (religion) should be banned. There could be a list for things that should be banned, religion would be at the top and X factor would be quite a long way down. At number 5 at least. I love this post, your hatred towards religion really shines through. I don't hate religion myself. I tend to feel pity towards people who follow a religion. Especially so if they are like the majority i.e. they only believe because their parents, possibly their school, probably their peers, brainwashed them into their 'belief' from a very young age. Many of the people afflicted in this way are otherwise intelligent, perfectly reasonable people. I feel pity towards them because despite their intelligence, they seem unable to re visit or question their belief when they should be mature enough to do so. I'm sure the question has entered most of their heads but they are so indoctrinated that they try to shut it out of their minds, living a life of continual denial. Others, who adopt a religion later in life, I have more respect for. This bunch have at least made a conscious decision. I feel a bit sorry for them though, having such empty lives that the only way they can get through it is align themselves with the great myth.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 16:54:26 GMT
Police have named the vile murdering odious bastard.... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40020168Salman Abedi, 22, has been named by police as the suspected suicide bomber who killed 22 people and injured 59 at Manchester Arena on Monday night.Your first sentence is far too easy to write. Makes you sound like a real tosspot in my opinion. Do you really believe this was an evil individual? Far more likely he was someone who had problems and was groomed by the real scum who need dealing with but are untouchable. Have you considered the possibility that I dont give a toss about your opinion or what you think about my post? Well guess what, I do not. As far as what or who is behind it we do not yet know. anybody who perpetrates such an act whether it by some form of cohesion/grooming (or what ever excuse you want to make for him) still marks them out as I said.
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Post by Telemachus on May 23, 2017 16:55:43 GMT
I suggest you think about your parents and numerous friends as if they were low level paedophiles. Harmless, just looking etc but ultimately propping up an evil system. I would treat paedophikes with sadness because they are ill or at best unable to control their feelings. They need to be treated, not demonised in the populist style. Same for folk who believe in an old man in a cloud, a vengeful god (if you're Irish) or a god who thinks anyone who doesn't believe or is gay should be exterminated. Treatment. Maybe ECT with a few thousand volts through the brain would do it? as to the big questions in life, for me it is "should I go gliding or boating". I am not so arrogant as to think that there is some divine purpose to my existence. I am just a (sometimes) happy coincidental product of the laws of physics, and the passage of an awful lot of time. As to where the universe came from, what was before the Big Bang etc well I don't know and we will,never know in my lifetime. But one thing is for sure, inventing an intermediary (god) doesn't answer the question, it merely puts it back a level to "where did god come from / who created god". So, pretty fatuous. Finally no, I don't think everything I disagree with should be banned. Apparently some people actually like X factor! But I do think that the one thing that has caused the most strife, suffering, death and destruction in the world, over thousands of years (religion) should be banned. There could be a list for things that should be banned, religion would be at the top and X factor would be quite a long way down. At number 5 at least. I love this post, your hatred towards religion really shines through. I don't hate religion myself. I tend to feel pity towards people who follow a religion. Especially so if they are like the majority i.e. they only believe because their parents, possibly their school, probably their peers, brainwashed them into their 'belief' from a very young age. Many of the people afflicted in this way are otherwise intelligent, perfectly reasonable people. I feel pity towards them because despite their intelligence, they seem unable to re visit or question their belief when they should be mature enough to do so. I'm sure the question has entered most of their heads but they are so indoctrinated that they try to shut it out of their minds, living a life of continual denial. Others, who adopt a religion later in life, I have more respect for. This bunch have at least made a conscious decision. I feel a bit sorry for them though, having such empty lives that the only way they can get through it is align themselves with the great myth. Hatred? Well maybe I suppose, but more like despising I think. I do pity them but at the same time, don't condone their behaviour.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 23, 2017 17:03:20 GMT
I often enjoy going into Church of England churches, in England, and absorbing the peace and quiet and general musty, dusty atmosphere, and climbing the stone spiral stairways up to the ringing chamber in the tower. Churches and cathedrals have given architects and artists the chance to strut their stuff and create grandeur on, literally, a Heavenly scale. They ooze History. I've met many people in churches who seem genuinely nice and caring, and sometimes it's best not to ruffle the waters and to let them carry on in their own happy, bumbling way. I sometimes like to wander round graveyards and read the inscriptions on the headstones, of people who lived but are now dead and have no visitors to their graves any more. The graveyard at Haworth, Yorkshire, is in a dreadful state and those who own that cemetery should hang their heads in shame - and this is the touristy village of the Bronte sisters for Gawd's sake! Ely Cathedral below:
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