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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 14:44:58 GMT
It's now 2.50pm. How many here have sent an e-mail to CRT for clarification?
Oh.... no-one.
How disappointing. Given the fact the sign states clearly it's an overstay charge, and the trust have no legislation to allow fines, what do you think an email to them asking for clarification will achieve?
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 17, 2017 15:54:31 GMT
You are quite short of rational argument these days. i wonder why you bother to participate when you have so little of substance to say?
Pot kettle black. I tend to divulge facts, something you struggle to deal with. Given you attended two meetings with crt where you had the opportunity to voice your opinion, yet sat in silence for fear of making a twat of yourself, it's quite obvious the internet and forums are where your level of participation ends. Put simply, an internet warrior. 😊 No just one meeting. And other people were enjoying the sound of their own voices so I didn't like to interrupt. At least I wasn't hiding under the duvet. The other was a party where I spoke to several CRT people - Sally Ash being one. You were the one skulking in the corner.
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Post by IainS on Jun 17, 2017 18:05:16 GMT
Would crt be in breach of data protection laws if they passed on a boat owners details to a third party agent because there is no reasonable reason to do so. This is covered by the t&c's within your licence agreement.Can I award you a wooden spoon?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 18:29:51 GMT
Pot kettle black. I tend to divulge facts, something you struggle to deal with. Given you attended two meetings with crt where you had the opportunity to voice your opinion, yet sat in silence for fear of making a twat of yourself, it's quite obvious the internet and forums are where your level of participation ends. Put simply, an internet warrior. 😊 No just one meeting. And other people were enjoying the sound of their own voices so I didn't like to interrupt. At least I wasn't hiding under the duvet. The other was a party where I spoke to several CRT people - Sally Ash being one. You were the one skulking in the corner. Bit of a womble really aren't you nick.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 18:31:11 GMT
This is covered by the t&c's within your licence agreement. Can I award you a wooden spoon? You'd be better off giving it to crt. They like stirring the pot.
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Post by Gone on Jun 17, 2017 20:56:45 GMT
Given the fact the sign states clearly it's an overstay charge, and the trust have no legislation to allow fines, what do you think an email to them asking for clarification will achieve? It would mean CRT would have to explain what they mean by 'charge'. A charge I don't want to pay but MUST is surely a FINE? A fine is a punitive response which may be difficult to enforce and may be challenged as being disproportionate, however an overstay charge is simply a fee for a service, so much easier to enforce. As to it being not optional, if you ask for a boat yard to service your engine, then you must pay the fee unless they fail to provide the service requested, it is not optional. If you overstay, then CRT have provided the mooring service which you will be liable to pay for, you always have the option of not overstaying if you do not wish to pay. Added - not quite the same situation, but this woman thought she could ignore parking charges until it went to court and she was ordered to pay £24k. This was Scotland, so not sure if the same in English law. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-39478203
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 17, 2017 21:02:15 GMT
Why don't they just cut to the quick and make ALL overnight stops ANYWHERE along the towpath £150/night?
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Post by NigelMoore on Jun 17, 2017 21:19:54 GMT
Why don't they just cut to the quick and make ALL overnight stops ANYWHERE along the towpath £150/night? Because the towpath use is part and parcel of the navigational facility they are obliged to provide, and the extent of use of which they have determined to be up to 14 days at a time as per their licence provisions affirmed in statute.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 21:41:54 GMT
Why don't they just cut to the quick and make ALL overnight stops ANYWHERE along the towpath £150/night? Because the towpath use is part and parcel of the navigational facility they are obliged to provide, and the extent of use of which they have determined to be up to 14 days at a time as per their licence provisions affirmed in statute. Don't you ever get fed up with repeating time and time again the same answers? You must have the patience of a saint.
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Post by NigelMoore on Jun 18, 2017 9:34:29 GMT
Don't you ever get fed up with repeating time and time again the same answers? You must have the patience of a saint. Well yes, it does get tiresome, but 2 factors come into play – first, this is the only remote claim to sainthood I could possibly aspire to, and second, it does not matter whether the question is tongue in cheek or sincere; there will always be those who are either new to the topic, or too heavily influenced by the implacable repetition of CaRT’s mantra over the freedom given by s.43 of the 1962 Act. It would be impossible to match their own continual dunning of that nonsense into the public ear; I do my own small part seeking to counter-act that.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 18, 2017 13:20:13 GMT
I'm always very happy with your postings Nigel, you are able to explain what a lot of these confusing texts are saying in more understandable wording, and as jenlyn remarked about this "time and time repeating the same answers", I admire you for this too, and you deserve the sainthood, or another Hood if you prefer.
Peter.
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Post by thebfg on Jun 18, 2017 14:03:26 GMT
It would mean CRT would have to explain what they mean by 'charge'. A charge I don't want to pay but MUST is surely a FINE? A fine is a punitive response which may be difficult to enforce and may be challenged as being disproportionate, however an overstay charge is simply a fee for a service, so much easier to enforce. As to it being not optional, if you ask for a boat yard to service your engine, then you must pay the fee unless they fail to provide the service requested, it is not optional. If you overstay, then CRT have provided the mooring service which you will be liable to pay for, you always have the option of not overstaying if you do not wish to pay. Added - not quite the same situation, but this woman thought she could ignore parking charges until it went to court and she was ordered to pay £24k. This was Scotland, so not sure if the same in English law. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-39478203She royally messed up as pofa 2012 does not apply in scotland and they cannot hold the rk responsible. So she should of told them to contact the driver, whom she will not name. Once she admitted being the driver by saying she can park there, they nailed her. Obviously if a judge asked she would of had to admit it and to be fair that many tickets was always going to end in court. There would of been other legal defences available to her had she not of been so stubborn. She probaly deserved it and now the ppc will have enough money to persecute other easy targets.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 14:32:11 GMT
24 thousand pounds? Kinnell thats a lot of parking tickets !!
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Post by kris on Jun 24, 2017 1:35:45 GMT
Why don't they just cut to the quick and make ALL overnight stops ANYWHERE along the towpath £150/night? dont give them ideas.
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Post by tadworth on Jun 25, 2017 12:53:09 GMT
CRT can do anything they want.
And boaters will either have to accept it or challenge CRT's interpretation of section 43 1962 Transport act which they claim permits them to do anything they want, as it stands boaters have no statutory rights.
( the ombudsman report I posted on here confirms that CRT policy is that all the statutory rights due to licence holders set out in acts of parliment can be overridden by CRT cancelling the contract they claim you have with them. )
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