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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 11:13:42 GMT
Over the years we seem to have seen a number of definitions pop up for different categories of boater. Whilst it is useful in debate, unfortunately it seems we may have different definitions.
The other issue is that these categories don't help unite boaters and can get used to divide us.
The most contentious categories seem to be 'live aboards' and 'CC'ers'. The funny thing is you could argue that we are all live aboards for the time we are on our boat, You can equally argue that we are all CC'ers for the time we are on the move on our boat.
Anyway, just for a laugh I thought I'd have a go at defining what I believe these categories to be. I'm interested in your interpretations
CC'er - Someone who hasn't a home mooring but is intent on a journey.
Live aboard - Someone who spends say more than 50% of their time living on their boat. (may or may not have a home mooring).
CM'er - A live aboard with no home mooring who isn't intent on a journey.
Dumper - Someone without a home mooring who spends more than 50% of their time living away from their boat.
Of course the majority of boaters don't 'fit' any of these categories. That is those who have a home mooring and pop out for a cruise from time to time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 12:10:00 GMT
There are only two types of boaters.
Decent ones worth having a beer with.
Wankers who are not worth pissing on if they were on fire.
Thankfully we normally meet more of the first type than the second.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 3, 2017 12:21:44 GMT
We are 'slow continuous cruisers' going round the whole network, parking up in various marinas when we can't use the boat. Liveaboards when using the boat. This style of holidaying works out as being more expensive than renting a car and bed-&-breakfasting, when you sit at the table with a calculator and look at it over a period of, say, 5 years.
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Post by lollygagger on Jul 3, 2017 12:33:11 GMT
What about us that use our boats purely as accommodation in a marina? The marina I'm in is stuffed with "us". We all pay our licence and never use any CRT facilities. If someone ventures out I'm surprised they don't get a round of applause. I'm happy to fork out for the licence as I like having the option to move even though in reality I don't.
I suspect that people like myself with our heads down below the parapet in marinas make up a sizeable proportion of liveaboards. About half here seem to be getting on a bit and retired to life aboard. The other half are probably divorced blokes TBH. It's a very pleasant life in a friendly, safe semi-gated community if your budget is tight and you want to chill with more to life than TV. When the retired generation pops their clogs the next one may find the sums don't add up and the demographic will change.
Some people sneer at marina dwellers, comparing it with living on the tow path. The two are incomparable IMO.
As soon as the term "boater" is used the snobbery (and inverse snobbery) starts. "Boat owner" might be more inclusive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 12:59:59 GMT
What about us that use our boats purely as accommodation in a marina? The marina I'm in is stuffed with "us". We all pay our licence and never use any CRT facilities. If someone ventures out I'm surprised they don't get a round of applause. I'm happy to fork out for the licence as I like having the option to move even though in reality I don't. I suspect that people like myself with our heads down below the parapet in marinas make up a sizeable proportion of liveaboards. About half here seem to be getting on a bit and retired to life aboard. The other half are probably divorced blokes TBH. It's a very pleasant life in a friendly, safe semi-gated community if your budget is tight and you want to chill with more to life than TV. When the retired generation pops their clogs the next one may find the sums don't add up and the demographic will change. Some people sneer at marina dwellers, comparing it with living on the tow path. The two are incomparable IMO. As soon as the term "boater" is used the snobbery (and inverse snobbery) starts. "Boat owner" might be more inclusive. So I think you are saying that lots of boat owners (maybe a better term I agree) are really just using their boat like a holiday home with water and facilities aroud them and have NO intention of going out into the big wide world? If boat owners have no intention of going out onto CRT water I don't see why they should have to pay for a licence. I suspect however most in that category would not like to remove the option of doing so if they wished. Mind you, there are short term licences. The problem I have is with those who still want that option but moan about having to pay for it, then say at a meeting that CC'ers should pay several times what they pay on that basis (yes, that actually happened).
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Post by peterboat on Jul 3, 2017 13:00:27 GMT
I am definitely a livaboard I love being on a boat put me in a house and after a couple of days I feel lost, I try to get out regular on the boat even if its just for a night. I couldnt imagine life without living in a boat
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Post by JohnV on Jul 3, 2017 13:01:10 GMT
To a certain extent I'm like lollylagger ..... for the last good few years I have been living in a boatyard (rather than a Marina) among a small community of liveaboards plus a few regular boaters who come down to their boats frequently. Plus a hell of a lot of owners who never visit their boats and only come along once a year to pay their mooring fee.
A lot of that has been forced on me by circumstances, but the primary use for Sabina is definitely as a home. This years cruising has been mostly banjaxed by the delay in getting out and I am not sure what might or might not happen next year. However this of course is on salty water.
I also have Shapfell my narrowbeam cruiser and for several years this was my summer home, cruising for 5 or 6 months of the year on the canals being laid up for the winter usually on hard standing.
To be honest I'm not sure what category it puts me in ..... (Many years in the past I also was a CCer and before that a hirer !!! just to confuse the issue further)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:05:18 GMT
We are 'slow continuous cruisers' going round the whole network, parking up in various marinas when we can't use the boat. Liveaboards when using the boat. This style of holidaying works out as being more expensive than renting a car and bed-&-breakfasting, when you sit at the table with a calculator and look at it over a period of, say, 5 years. I suppose your situation makes it difficult to be a dumper as you are away for longer than 14 days. Maybe you can find someone to move the boat around for you. Not that I condone that idea of course....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:18:06 GMT
To a certain extent I'm like lollylagger ..... for the last good few years I have been living in a boatyard (rather than a Marina) among a small community of liveaboards plus Β a few regular boaters who come down to their boats frequently. Plus a hell of a lot of owners who never visit their boats and only come along once a year to pay their mooring fee. A lot of that has been forced on me by circumstances, but the primary use for Sabina is definitely as a home. Β This years cruising has been mostly banjaxed by the delay in getting out and I am not sure what might or might not happen next year. However this of course is on salty water. I also have Shapfell my narrowbeam cruiser and for several years this was my summer home, cruising for 5 or 6 months of the year on the canals being laid up for the winter usually on hard standing. Β To be honest I'm not sure what category it puts me in ..... (Many years in the past I also was a CCer and before that a hirer !!! just to confuse the issue further) That's the funny thing about all this. The true category can change on an almost daily basis. However CRT only have 2 long term categories (well if put commercial use out of the way), those with a home mooring and those who haven't (called CC'ers by CRT and others, which just adds to the confusion).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:29:11 GMT
One possible answer to this is to get rid of the licence altogether and pay as you go for locks, facilities etc. They do this in Ireland but they do have the benefit of electric locks to make it easier to control the system.
What do you think? How could that be made to work here?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:40:02 GMT
To a certain extent I'm like lollylagger ..... for the last good few years I have been living in a boatyard (rather than a Marina) among a small community of liveaboards plus a few regular boaters who come down to their boats frequently. Plus a hell of a lot of owners who never visit their boats and only come along once a year to pay their mooring fee. A lot of that has been forced on me by circumstances, but the primary use for Sabina is definitely as a home. This years cruising has been mostly banjaxed by the delay in getting out and I am not sure what might or might not happen next year. However this of course is on salty water. I also have Shapfell my narrowbeam cruiser and for several years this was my summer home, cruising for 5 or 6 months of the year on the canals being laid up for the winter usually on hard standing. To be honest I'm not sure what category it puts me in ..... (Many years in the past I also was a CCer and before that a hirer !!! just to confuse the issue further) Easy. A dropout. π€£ππ€£ππ€£π
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:43:45 GMT
To a certain extent I'm like lollylagger ..... for the last good few years I have been living in a boatyard (rather than a Marina) among a small community of liveaboards plus Β a few regular boaters who come down to their boats frequently. Plus a hell of a lot of owners who never visit their boats and only come along once a year to pay their mooring fee. A lot of that has been forced on me by circumstances, but the primary use for Sabina is definitely as a home. Β This years cruising has been mostly banjaxed by the delay in getting out and I am not sure what might or might not happen next year. However this of course is on salty water. I also have Shapfell my narrowbeam cruiser and for several years this was my summer home, cruising for 5 or 6 months of the year on the canals being laid up for the winter usually on hard standing. Β To be honest I'm not sure what category it puts me in ..... (Many years in the past I also was a CCer and before that a hirer !!! just to confuse the issue further) Easy. A dropout. π€£ππ€£ππ€£π Aren't we all?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:54:14 GMT
Easy. A dropout. π€£ππ€£ππ€£π Aren't we all? Apart from Nick, who seems to be a "drop in".
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Post by phil70 on Jul 3, 2017 14:45:11 GMT
Aren't we all? Apart from Nick, who seems to be a "drop in". Would that be "a drop in the Ocean"? Phil
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:24:04 GMT
We all love boating.
That's it.
Rog
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