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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:22:54 GMT
Its a fair point to make. Nobody needs ro run a generator if they are out boating for 5+ hours a day as in this day and age a diesel engine will generally have a pretty good alternator on it which will provide power for most requirements unless you are looking for a floating flat.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 12, 2017 18:28:04 GMT
The canal and boats were there before the development was built. If you don't like chickens and the smell of cowshit, dont build near a farm. If you don't like boats, or the smell of dogshit, dont buy a house near the canal. How simple is that? However in the "good old days" when I started boating, you never saw (or heard!) portable generators. They are a new fad to go with boaters who don't boat much. I'm sure the local residents would be quite happy for the canals to be as they were before the development was built - ie lots of horses clip clopping along and no portable music, no portable generators. Plenty of horse poo for the roses! carp ..... most of the canalside developments have been in the last 10 or 15 years
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:37:00 GMT
That's a very blinkered view.
Developers are building houses on flood plains for goodness sake.
They'll build anywhere if there's a profit to be had, it's not just about canals.
And I again insist that in very many places it is possible to moor a few hundred yards further on, and be away from residents.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 18:41:27 GMT
That's a very blinkered view. Developers are building houses on flood plains for goodness sake. They'll build anywhere if there's a profit to be had, it's not just about canals. And I again insist that in very many places it is possible to moor a few hundred yards further on, and be away from residents. Rog Agreed - if you want to make nuisance such as generators, noisy engine running, audible music or smoky fire. If none of those things, I don't think its unreasonable to moor on the towpath outside people's houses.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:46:40 GMT
What's blinkered about it? That's a bit of a stupid reply if it's to my post, and frankly roger, some of your replies like this are bordering on The ridiculous. The only blinkers I see, are those on the people who buy into a load of bollocks, then cry foul for not doing there homework beforehand. You can't shut down farms, boatyards, churches just because you were stupid enough to buy a new house by them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:52:11 GMT
Farms, Boatyards and Churches are a totally different subject.
There is a bit of a risk that boat dwellers will start to be seen as "pikeys" if this happens then the shit will hit the fan and I intend at this stage to invest in fan manufacturers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:52:17 GMT
That's a very blinkered view. Developers are building houses on flood plains for goodness sake. They'll build anywhere if there's a profit to be had, it's not just about canals. And I again insist that in very many places it is possible to moor a few hundred yards further on, and be away from residents. Rog Agreed - if you want to make nuisance such as generators, noisy engine running, audible music or smoky fire. If none of those things, I don't think its unreasonable to moor on the towpath outside people's houses. Most people complaining about boats using generators, noisy engines etc do so to simply back up their cause. It's funny why no one has ever been prosecuted for causing such disturbances on the canals. However, your limited knowledge on such matters does not seem to effect your ability to make the crap up anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:53:00 GMT
Life does not have to be a constant battle.
We can live together, aware of each others needs and desires, and reflect that knowledge in the way we conduct ourselves.
Suddenly there is no conflict.
In many instances it is that simple.
I agree that the canal was there first. I agree it is short sighted to purchase a canal side property and then complain about boats.
I disagree that any kind of a solution is just moor up, make a noise "to show 'em you can".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:55:09 GMT
Agreed - if you want to make nuisance such as generators, noisy engine running,Β audible musicΒ or smoky fire. If none of those things, I don't think its unreasonable to moor on the towpath outside people's houses. Most people complaining about boats using generators, noisy engines etc do so to simply back up their cause. It's funny why no one has ever been prosecuted for causing such disturbances on the canals. However, your limited knowledge on such matters does not seem to effect your ability to make the crap up anyway.Β I suspect the reason no-one has been prosecuted is because the laws are not in place. I know there are general noise nuisance laws but nothing very specific as far as I know. This may change.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:56:15 GMT
Farms, Boatyards and Churches are a totally different subject. There is a bit of a risk that boat dwellers will start to be seen as "pikeys" if this happens then the shit will hit the fan and I intend at this stage to invest in fan manufacturers. It may well be a different subject, but the three are very relevant in the argument. The other factor of course, is those that take the piss in London, completely ignoring and displaying total ignorance to those around them. Overstaying etc. Didn't you previously state you overstay?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:57:46 GMT
Most people complaining about boats using generators, noisy engines etc do so to simply back up their cause. It's funny why no one has ever been prosecuted for causing such disturbances on the canals. However, your limited knowledge on such matters does not seem to effect your ability to make the crap up anyway. I suspect the reason no-one has been prosecuted is because the laws are not in place. I know there are general noise nuisance laws but nothing very specific as far as I know. This may change. Perhaps you need to read up on the canal bylaws.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 19:02:44 GMT
Farms, Boatyards and Churches are a totally different subject. There is a bit of a risk that boat dwellers will start to be seen as "pikeys" if this happens then the shit will hit the fan and I intend at this stage to invest in fan manufacturers. It may well be a different subject, but the three are very relevant in the argument. The other factor of course, is those that take the piss in London, completely ignoring and displaying total ignorance to those around them. Overstaying etc. Didn't you previously state you overstay? I move the boat at least every 14 days but it is often not far. I overstay in an area but not strictly in time terms. My handrails have some crt cable ties. But I never cause a noise nuisance other than my 2am high volume outdoor satan worship ranting which usually lasts about 90 seconds and hopefully does not offend anyone as I assume people are usually asleep at this ungodly hour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 19:04:38 GMT
I suspect the reason no-one has been prosecuted is because the laws are not in place. I know there are general noise nuisance laws but nothing very specific as far as I know. This may change. Perhaps you need to read up on the canal bylaws. I know the byelaws. I suspect if someone wanted to prosecute for noise nuisance thwy would not do it via canal byelaws.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 12, 2017 19:05:28 GMT
Yes it takes consideration on both sides, I take it boats have moored in this spot for a long time. Well longer than the flats anyway. So what about crt insisting that the developers put electricity bollards in ( obviously paying) so boats can still moor there but don't have to run generators for power. So the flat owners are happy and the boaters are happy well happyish. I actually think this is a very good idea in some respects, however like most things there might be a downside ....... overstayers ? ....... increased occupation as they might then be a "plum" site ? .......... also increasing frequency of occupation might also mean more problems with smoke in the winter ....... change the clean air act to cover boats ........ Hell no !!! that gives them an instant "in" if they do introduce a blanket diesel ban in the future
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 19:06:00 GMT
It may well be a different subject, but the three are very relevant in the argument. The other factor of course, is those that take the piss in London, completely ignoring and displaying total ignorance to those around them. Overstaying etc. Didn't you previously state you overstay? I move the boat at least every 14 days but it is often not far. I overstay in an area but not strictly in time terms. My handrails have some crt cable ties. But I never cause a noise nuisance other than my 2am high volume outdoor satan worship ranting which usually lasts about 90 seconds and hopefully does not offend anyone as I assume people are usually asleep at this ungodly hour. I think without meaning to offend, that you should concentrate on your own behaviour, before judging others.
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