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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 22:19:56 GMT
No it comes with 35 years experience of working in the NHS. It is very risk averse. You are explaining your view on why the managers (not the NHS) think like that. The point I, and I believe others were trying to make is that it doesn't HAVE to be like that. Any management structure that puts it's own sensitivities above the needs of it's patients is wrong in my view. The reasons why they choose to defend their actions is irrelevant. Core business must be patients needs, not what managers are comfortable with. Rog The organalistional culture of the NHS has developed over many decades and a lot of things are complicit in how it has come to how it is. Politics, finances, and importantly patient experience. My original point was a very simple one. Don't believe everything you read in the press.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 22:24:58 GMT
We cannot agree on this I'm afraid.
In my view, you are attempting to defend the indefensible actions of a petty bureacrat.
The cash could have been accepted for the purpose intended, and the opportunity taken to publicise the 'sensitivities' of modern management.
However they decided it was more important to put the 'cart before the horse'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 22:31:33 GMT
We cannot agree on this I'm afraid. In my view, you are attempting to defend the indefensible actions of a petty bureacrat. The cash could have been accepted for the purpose intended, and the opportunity taken to publicise the 'sensitivities' of modern management. However they decided it was more important to put the 'cart before the horse'. Rog Fair enough, we can't agree it happens. You speak from your life experience i guess and I speak from mine. I understand her decision and why she made it based on the latter.
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Post by patty on Aug 25, 2017 4:55:30 GMT
When I first worked in the NHS we were allowed to think and make decisions based on common sense and skill, gradually management eroded away our right to believe in our capabilities in favour of rules, protocols and hand cuffs.... One night we admitted a man who should have gone to medics...no beds...never any beds in medicine....he needed in order to have any chance at survival a special infusion which none of us had been signed off to administer...over the phone I took instructions from the medical nurse practitioner and undertook to take responsibility for letting this man have the infusion he needed...there was a lot of trouble post this event..i had once again 'broken rules' by putting patients needs above rules...he survived but I guess if he hadn't I'd have been in even more trouble and possibly blamed.... I just couldn't accept that protocols and bits of paper dictated right to life... I did this on more than one occasion....for me as long as I understood and felt confident in my abilities then no-one should be denied life giving treatment. The other nurses on shift refused...I had to forgo my breaks as no-one else would help. On another occasion I administered a trial drug via an infusion that had come vis motorbike for particular man from Bristol...highly experimental and no-one had ever used it so no previous guidelines apart from what the consultant advised...my manager told me to do it and accompanied me as timing was critical to give....the side effects I witnessed ...to my mind did not warrant any benefits..this guy terminal and I realised the consultant was grasping at straws...based on what i saw I refused to administer any more..no other nurse then would and in this instance a junior doctor forced to do it.....I was right as this man R.I. not so peaceful end. At the end of the day we have to be allowed to make informed decisions that are not necessarily those set in rules and if we can justify decisions made there should be more compassion to staff.... Management and I did not gel.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 25, 2017 6:55:54 GMT
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Post by patty on Aug 25, 2017 7:01:05 GMT
One wonders if a pay increase of that percentage can ever be justified...yeah I have read the whole article and 'see' his justifications and me thinks I'm not so sure I believe him. Good on that guy who spoke out against it.
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Post by bodger on Aug 25, 2017 7:27:42 GMT
..... the Saudi regime stands for what's right - women stuffed into burkas and forbidden to drive. 50 lashes and a public stoning if you disagree. have you ever been there or are you just relying on the Finnish Daily Fail for your information?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 25, 2017 7:49:18 GMT
I can't see the problem here, I thought we were supposed to celebrate cross dressing these days?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 8:05:35 GMT
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Post by Andyberg on Aug 25, 2017 13:04:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 14:36:48 GMT
Aid with one hand missiles with the other, UK and US governments have a lot to be ashamed of in this.
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Post by patty on Aug 25, 2017 16:20:50 GMT
Took me ages to work them out so as for taking offence not a scoobies...I just think that kinda stuff funny....bout time those PC people stopped trying to prevent offence..its turning this country into a namby pamby state
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 25, 2017 16:31:03 GMT
..... the Saudi regime stands for what's right - women stuffed into burkas and forbidden to drive. 50 lashes and a public stoning if you disagree. have you ever been there or are you just relying on the Finnish Daily Fail for your information? I think it's fair to say that Saudi Arabia does have some practices which would be considered to be somewhat regressive elsewhere. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecca_girls%27_school_fire
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 25, 2017 17:04:36 GMT
In June, the Swansea-based agency admitted that a plate JH11 HAD "slipped through the net". - yeah, right. So they'll be recalling that one, eh? How about CRU5 ADE ?
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Post by bodger on Aug 25, 2017 19:16:48 GMT
have you ever been there or are you just relying on the Finnish Daily Fail for your information? I think it's fair to say that Saudi Arabia does have some practices which would be considered to be somewhat regressive elsewhere. I wouldn't argue with that, it is a fair assessment of their culture. My son and I have spent a cumulative total of 35 years in the Gulf countries including Saudi and we both agree that they are a damn sight more civilised than the average British city, if civilised means safe, secure, being respected as an individual without discrimination, and free from fear of being mugged or abused or being knocked over by a reckless cyclist or a drunk driver. And they don't sacrifice their civilisation to mistaken ideas about political correctness.
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