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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 14:45:45 GMT
Do your 12 voles get cold in the winter?
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Post by JohnV on Aug 28, 2017 14:57:03 GMT
Do your 12 voles get cold in the winter? You have to be careful, they can get a bit ratty then !!!
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 28, 2017 15:44:40 GMT
Yes. I just want things to happen wth minimal intervention. For example, one doesn't have to switch a shower pump on at home, so why have to think about it when on the boat? I don't see any virtue in making life more complicated than it needs to be. Seems to me as if gadgetry and needless complications are the order of the day to save a little bit of human energy. I'd rather have a simple switch controlling the shower pump so if it went wrong there is minimal fault fining and no electronics involve. Likewise I simply do not see what is so hard in switching individual lights on and off as required. It will be fun for a subsequent owner when a typical marina "electrician/engineer" is faced with that lot. Back on topic - We have DAB/FM car radio/cd player, 150W MSW inverter for charging those items that come with proprietor charging devices plus a hand held vacuum cleaner (Lidle), 12V fridge,water pump, Alde 2000 series gas central heating, 12v laptop power supply, LED bulbs in the most frequently used lamps with the rest fluorescent apart from 2 very rarely used 10W halogen capsules. Plus two mobile phones charged by a 12V adaptor. Real telephones, not any form of smart-phone. All happily working from a single 70 amp alternator and three 110Ah batteries. We also have a solid fuel stove. To hear some on here talk it seems that we should be feeling as if we are in the third world but we don't. We can remember a time before fridges and TVs in ordinary homes so are happy with a simple life. In fact apart from an electric kettle and freezer its not much different to living at home. Yes Tony! <luddite!>. Is it a needless complication to have an automatic washing machine /dryer, or is it better to employ servants or spend hours of one's own time to tramp on the washing in the bathtub, or maybe bash the washing against rocks in a stream? Is it a needless complication to have a gas oven, when scouring the forest for dry wood and spending hours rubbing two sticks together to make fire in a dug-out pit, followed by cooking dinner on it, is so much more traditional? Anyway, your dislike of electronics is simply because you don't understand it. I feel similarly about women (but would never admit it in mixed company). A switch is a godawful contraption, requiring moving bits of metal and plastic with so many failure modes: switch knob breaks off; contacts burn out and won't connect; Contacts weld together and won't disconnect; Contacts make moderate resistance and melt the thermoplastic switch body; Operating mechanism jams; switch falls to bits; wires with crimp spade terminations fall off or make poor connection. Whereas my system has no mechanical switches and current is switched on and off using simple quantum physics principles. What could possibly go wrong? If for some inexplicable reason it should go wrong well firstly there is a duplex switching system providing redundancy (a flow switch in both hot and cold pipes), the pump is turned on and off by a FET and if that should fail I can plug in a spare card (I keep a couple under the bed, though I've never needed them). Regarding your point on "subsequent owners" I think it would be a shame if one of the primary deciding factors was the impact on subsequent owners. We are not the sort of folk to have a boat built and then sell it in 3 years. A boat is for life, not just for Christmas. Anyway, you are right, a typical marina electrician would be clueless. But then they can barely cope with 20th century electricity, let alone 21st century. But by the time we are likely to want to sell our boat, there will be a new generation of electricians who know that CANBUS is not the local public transport to the co-op. in summary, modern conveniences are only your enemy if you are scared of them / don't understand them. If you do understand them, they are a pleasure to live with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 16:04:01 GMT
Things got too complicated when man moved out of caves.
Your comment "... modern conveniences are only your enemy if you are scared of them / don't understand them. If you do understand them, they are a pleasure to live with" is in my opinion overly simplistic.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 28, 2017 16:20:39 GMT
Things got too complicated when man moved out of caves. Your comment "... modern conveniences are only your enemy if you are scared of them / don't understand them. If you do understand them, they are a pleasure to live with" is in my opinion overly simplistic. But without explaining why you think that, where the hidden complexity lies, and thus opening up possible debate, your post is just so much hot air. Something no doubt lacking in a cave!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 16:44:21 GMT
OK let's start with cars. .
Are cars a useful modern labour saving device? That's what people think but in fact the only thing cars do is enslave people and make them spend more money.
Televisions. What's the point of these then?
Washing machines. These are designed to force people to buy overpriced cleaning products.
This could be said of almost all "mod cons" they are not needed but someone somewhere has decided that its handy if all the plebs are basically kept under control and their spending habits are micromanaged.
Its awful. I hate it.
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Post by phil70 on Aug 28, 2017 17:05:33 GMT
We actually enjoy that it's a simpler life on the boat, it is part of the charm. We do have electric tooth brushes though, how posh and modern is that. But they're disposable battery ones. Nobody claiming a bread maker or electric tin opener yet Rog Oops I forgot to mention our bread maker Phil
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 28, 2017 17:16:52 GMT
Yes we have a bread maker too. Tip a few ingredients in, put it on the "rapid" programme and you have a nice loaf in 2 hrs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 17:18:51 GMT
Machine made bread is just another awful modern invention which nobody kneads.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 28, 2017 17:22:15 GMT
DEFA car fan heater for when we have 240v. Warms the kitchen up, which is far from the stove and affected by the draught coming in the back doors. Also good for putting in engine room to make it nice and warm and dry so you can paint the floor again. (also kind to engine to have it warmed up like this - gently - when it's very cold). We also have 1 hairdryer and 1 vacuum cleaner - spiders beware! It's either sucking-up time, or time for a trendy coiffure for the eight-leggers!
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Post by thebfg on Aug 28, 2017 17:30:51 GMT
Machine made bread is just another awful modern invention which nobody kneads. nice pun. we like to set the timer so when we wake up there is a fresh loaf of bread waiting.
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Post by peterboat on Aug 28, 2017 17:34:25 GMT
As Rog knows its me with all the stuff on board same as JohnV and Nick, this is my home so why shouldnt we be comfy?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 17:52:03 GMT
To be honest at home we are pretty simple in life style, but we're only there Oct to Dec, and we're working those months too.
Back to the boats, I always like Stabby's mate's description of boating... "like a walking holiday, without the walking."
Only I would add, it's also like a camping holiday, but without the camping.
Each to their own of course.
I actually like the back to basics style of what we do, even though it's a very comfy basics.
University Challenge at 8pm. One of the tv programmes Jane loves to watch, along with Only Connect on Fridays. Rarely watch tv but for these two (apart from six nations and internationals, but they're compulsory).
Rog
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 28, 2017 18:30:26 GMT
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 28, 2017 18:59:06 GMT
OK let's start with cars. . Are cars a useful modern labour saving device? That's what people think but in fact the only thing cars do is enslave people and make them spend more money. Televisions. What's the point of these then? Washing machines. These are designed to force people to buy overpriced cleaning products. This could be said of almost all "mod cons" they are not needed but someone somewhere has decided that its handy if all the plebs are basically kept under control and their spending habits are micromanaged. Its awful. I hate it. Cars. Yes. I want to go gliding in the Cairngorms. I live in Aberdeen. The only way to get there is by car. I already have enough money to buy and run the car. Oh and my car has a television. Televisions: the point of these is to provide entertainment for people who can't be bothered to read or make interesting conversation. And to be eduficated by nature and science programmes . Washing machines: Easy for you to say - someone who lives on their own on a boat and rarely washes themselves never mind their clothes, doesn't need one. A brood mare with several issues does, unless she wants to spend most of her life as a scrubber (of clothes). Is awful the same as full of awe? I hate people sticking their awe in.
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