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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 21:48:02 GMT
Oops
58 plate Dame Edna Saab 95.
Oh dear !
(gazza will never forgive me for this)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 21:50:51 GMT
Oops 58 plate Dame Edna Saab 95. Oh dear ! (gazza will never forgive me for this) (Snigger).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 21:08:37 GMT
Seems the trust have found another way of screwing a few quid from us.
Canal and River Trust, Principles of Towpath use, item 2 "Everyday access to the towpaths will be free to everyone, although we reserve the right to charge for specific access such as special events."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 21:54:04 GMT
Seems the trust have found another way of screwing a few quid from us. Canal and River Trust, Principles of Towpath use, item 2 "Everyday access to the towpaths will be free to everyone, although we reserve the right to charge for specific access such as special events." It's a public footpath. As you probably remember, you can walk around Lands End without having to pay entrance for the same reason. It would be interesting to see what happens to CRT's PR if someone tries to block anyone from walking down there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 22:02:11 GMT
Seems the trust have found another way of screwing a few quid from us. Canal and River Trust, Principles of Towpath use, item 2 "Everyday access to the towpaths will be free to everyone, although we reserve the right to charge for specific access such as special events." It's a public footpath. As you probably remember, you can walk around Lands End without having to pay entrance for the same reason. It would be interesting to see what happens to CRT's PR if someone tries to block anyone from waking down there. Or even going to sleep down there...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 22:15:01 GMT
It's a public footpath. As you probably remember, you can walk around Lands End without having to pay entrance for the same reason. It would be interesting to see what happens to CRT's PR if someone tries to block anyone from waking down there. Or even going to sleep down there... Thank you. Now corrected...actually that could have gone very bad if I'd had another pint...
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Post by thebfg on Sept 7, 2017 22:32:35 GMT
Seems the trust have found another way of screwing a few quid from us. Canal and River Trust, Principles of Towpath use, item 2 "Everyday access to the towpaths will be free to everyone, although we reserve the right to charge for specific access such as special events." It's a public footpath. As you probably remember, you can walk around Lands End without having to pay entrance for the same reason. It would be interesting to see what happens to CRT's PR if someone tries to block anyone from walking down there. is the difference, now I'm not 100% but the paths around lands end are public rights of way and the tow path is probaly only a permissive path
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 23:34:20 GMT
It's a public footpath. As you probably remember, you can walk around Lands End without having to pay entrance for the same reason. It would be interesting to see what happens to CRT's PR if someone tries to block anyone from walking down there. is the difference, now I'm not 100% but the paths around lands end are public rights of way and the tow path is probaly only a permissive path Which begs the question who 'owns' or has legal responsibility for sections of the tow path which are 'permissive paths'? Even public rights of way must be responsible to someone, probably the local council. The bottom line is that if 100 ramblers want to walk down it, who's going to stop them? What would be the outcome?
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Post by thebfg on Sept 7, 2017 23:51:54 GMT
is the difference, now I'm not 100% but the paths around lands end are public rights of way and the tow path is probaly only a permissive path Which begs the question who 'owns' or has legal responsibility for sections of the tow path which are 'permissive paths'? Even public rights of way must be responsible to someone, probably the local council. The bottom line is that if 100 ramblers want to walk down it, who's going to stop them? What would be the outcome? Cart are reasonable. they allow the public to walk on their towpath. I only answered your question๐ I'm not convinced the two volunteers they put on the towpath to collect money will give two hoots. to me anyway it would be obvious that ramblers would be going straight past and would allow them to do so. knowing Crt they will probaly stick their favourite henchman there. is there a reasonable detour people could use?
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Post by thebfg on Sept 8, 2017 0:54:54 GMT
I will add a disclaimer. were talking public. I presumed boaters who have paid a licence fee do have a right to use the towpath. but I guess it's in the t's and c's that they can close them whenever.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 7:25:30 GMT
Which begs the question who 'owns' or has legal responsibility for sections of the tow path which are 'permissive paths'? Even public rights of way must be responsible to someone, probably the local council. The bottom line is that if 100 ramblers want to walk down it, who's going to stop them? What would be the outcome? Cart are reasonable. they allow the public to walk on their towpath. I only answered your question๐ I'm not convinced the two volunteers they put on the towpath to collect money will give two hoots. to me anyway it would be obvious that ramblers would be going straight past and would allow them to do so. knowing Crt they will probaly stick their favourite henchman there. is there a reasonable detour people could use? You are probably correct although I have a feeling that some of the tow paths are the councils responsibility. Certainly CRT believe that the majority of paths are permissive canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-the-waterways/cycling/cycling-faqs Talking of the towpaths 'belonging' to CRT. CRT are suppposed to be custodians of the canals on behalf of it's users and customers who pay for them out of tax, licence fees and wayleave charges. That means CRT should be accountable to us all....not the other way around! Just another example of how democratic Britain is gradually being eroded by the creep of capitalism. Once they believe they can do anything they like, you will see sections of the network shut down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 7:33:34 GMT
There are some fairly old signs around Kensal Green on Paddington Arm of GU which say that the towpath is managed by Kensington and Chelsea council or similar.
Seems a sensible way to arrange things. Boaters still have a mooring right attached to their license and a right to use a footpath due to being a person.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 7:35:02 GMT
Doesn't make sense to have towpaths managed by CRT as there are no horses.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 8, 2017 7:35:32 GMT
Cart are reasonable. they allow the public to walk on their towpath. I only answered your question๐ I'm not convinced the two volunteers they put on the towpath to collect money will give two hoots. to me anyway it would be obvious that ramblers would be going straight past and would allow them to do so. knowing Crt they will probaly stick their favourite henchman there. is there a reasonable detour people could use? Once they believe they can do anything they like, you will see sections of the network shut down. Well, certainly no judge has the inclination to stop 'em! CRT and Peel Holdings tell YOU how it IS...... and everyone rolls over and plays dead. And pays up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 7:54:06 GMT
There are some fairly old signs around Kensal Green on Paddington Arm of GU which say that the towpath is managed by Kensington and Chelsea council or similar. Seems a sensible way to arrange things. Boaters still have a mooring right attached to their license and a right to use a footpath due to being a person. Except that CRT also issue notices preventing you from mooring at places like Stoke Bruerne when they decide to put an event on. We only have mooring rights and access to the towpath when they say so, it would appear. Certainly we are expected to abide by CRT's mooring time restrictions (24h/48h) despite the law stating 14 days. CRT's empire will keep growing and we will continue to pay for it. A charity which is being run more like a private business. A charity who withhold information on the grounds of it being commercially sensitive, A charity who doesn't appear to be accountable to it's stakeholders. Anyway, it's probably easier just to keep our heads down and put up with it.
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