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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 13:20:11 GMT
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Post by kris on Oct 11, 2017 14:01:19 GMT
Neither they are both politicians.
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Post by Jim on Oct 12, 2017 6:04:22 GMT
What s the commensurate increase in English people buying houses in Bulgaria, Romania over the same period. How many English have moved to work in the EU? Stealing locals jobs etc. And their women.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 12, 2017 7:18:57 GMT
What s the commensurate increase in English people buying houses in Bulgaria, Romania over the same period. How many English have moved to work in the EU? Stealing locals jobs etc. And their women. I should imagine bloody few Brits will go to Romania looking for work. More likely either second homes or people retired going there ..... in which case they are a boost to the local economy rather than a drain.
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Post by Jim on Oct 12, 2017 10:54:44 GMT
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Post by JohnV on Oct 12, 2017 11:11:59 GMT
That is hardly what I said ....... In fact you have completely reversed it ..... Uk Immigrants to Romania or the like do not fill jobs at a lower wage, they spend money , i.e. their savings/ pensions in that country. If they are holiday second home owners then they are earning the money that they spend there, in the UK. They are not competing with the locals for scarce resources. This does not hold true for Immigrants to the UK.
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Post by Jim on Oct 12, 2017 11:40:19 GMT
That is hardly what I said ....... In fact you have completely reversed it ..... Uk Immigrants to Romania or the like do not fill jobs at a lower wage, they spend money , i.e. their savings/ pensions in that country. If they are holiday second home owners then they are earning the money that they spend there, in the UK. They are not competing with the locals for scarce resources. This does not hold true for Immigrants to the UK. However, it's still true that migrants boost the economy. How do you propose to staff the NHS, without migrants? Unqualified unemployed scrotes can't do those jobs. How have migrants brought wages down? We have a baseline minimum wage.
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Post by kris on Oct 12, 2017 11:43:39 GMT
That is hardly what I said ....... In fact you have completely reversed it ..... Uk Immigrants to Romania or the like do not fill jobs at a lower wage, they spend money , i.e. their savings/ pensions in that country. If they are holiday second home owners then they are earning the money that they spend there, in the UK. They are not competing with the locals for scarce resources. This does not hold true for Immigrants to the UK. However, it's still true that migrants boost the economy. How do you propose to staff the NHS, without migrants? Unqualified unemployed scrotes can't do those jobs. How have migrants brought wages down? We have a baseline minimum wage. the minimum wage is not a livable wage, lots of people who work have to go to food banks. So what would the minimum wage be without the large influx of cheap labour?
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Post by Jim on Oct 12, 2017 11:46:40 GMT
I'd also question the language used in the op, "numbers have doubled" is deliberately unclear and inflammatory. 1 doubled to 2? Shock horror, old gimmer express readers will be up in arms!
what are the exact figures?
Nether do I understand the supposed drain on resources, that isn't mathematically correct if migrants as a whole are a net gain to the economy.
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Post by kris on Oct 12, 2017 11:50:33 GMT
I'd also question the language used in the op, "numbers have doubled" is deliberately unclear and inflammatory. 1 doubled to 2? Shock horror, old gimmer express readers will be up in arms! what are the exact figures? Nether do I understand the supposed drain on resources, that isn't mathematically correct if migrants as a whole are a net gain to the economy. only if that net gain is put back as extra funding for the services needed.
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Post by lollygagger on Oct 12, 2017 12:16:03 GMT
Most of us would like our society to be a bit more than a pool of cheap competing labour. The NHS is a spurious arguement in the circumstances as it's gone on for 50-60 years in a controlled and relatively small way. It's the uncontrolled EU free for all type immigration that's the problem.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 12, 2017 12:35:22 GMT
I'd also question the language used in the op, "numbers have doubled" is deliberately unclear and inflammatory. 1 doubled to 2? Shock horror, old gimmer express readers will be up in arms! what are the exact figures? Nether do I understand the supposed drain on resources, that isn't mathematically correct if migrants as a whole are a net gain to the economy.Only if you don't go into it in detail Some immigration is a net gain providing those persons have a skill that is in desperately short supply. Unskilled/low skilled immigration only accentuates the problem of low pay/oversupply of labour. and is only again for employers looking for low cost workers. Although there are without doubt a number of indigenous lazy scrotes who are happy to be on benefits (with a bit of fiddling on the side) there are also plenty of immigrants (legal illegal whatever) who fall into the same category. The other thing you miss is that immigration does not solve teaching/medical shortfalls. These are often caused because the planning of more new schools/hospitals/social services etc has an extremely long run in time. It takes years just to get through the planning stages.... How big, where, service facilities (sewers/water/power/road access/public transport links) all this has to be planned years in advance often coinciding with expansion of housing availability. Personnel training also had to be considered, how many more teachers, doctors , nurses, all professions that take years of recruitment and training. It is all worked out on a standard pattern of population growth and expansion and mostly worked reasonably well Then along comes an idiot who throws wide open the gates to mass immigration. All the planning goes out of the window ...... and it is not possible to catch up. Hence short term band-aids recruit foreign doctors , nurses, teachers often from poor countries who need them a damn sight more than us You can plan for many things but not for a prat in charge
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Post by thebfg on Oct 12, 2017 14:16:53 GMT
That is hardly what I said ....... In fact you have completely reversed it ..... Uk Immigrants to Romania or the like do not fill jobs at a lower wage, they spend money , i.e. their savings/ pensions in that country. If they are holiday second home owners then they are earning the money that they spend there, in the UK. They are not competing with the locals for scarce resources. This does not hold true for Immigrants to the UK. However, it's still true that migrants boost the economy. How do you propose to staff the NHS, without migrants? Unqualified unemployed scrotes can't do those jobs. How have migrants brought wages down? We have a baseline minimum wage. to be fair we have a very good university hospital. many staff are English. there are many foreign staff too. but to debate your point. would the nhs actually need foreign Labour if they did not have so many foreign patients. my last visit to the doctors was a waiting room full of non English speaking patients , the same at the hospital.
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Post by Andyberg on Oct 12, 2017 15:09:45 GMT
my last visit to the doctors was a waiting room full of non English speaking patients , the same at the hospital. Yes I had the same issues when I broke my leg a couple of years ago, the hospital was ram jam full of bloody foreigners,
No one was interested in trying to speak English even when I spoke to themπ‘π‘ Bloody Spanish hospitals.... useless!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 16:38:06 GMT
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