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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 13:30:32 GMT
Opinions such as that are next to worthless. If, like you, their waterway knowledge and experience was limited to a few recent years of pleasure boating, including the latter years of BW's decline into becoming worse than useless and very definitely 'unfit for purpose', then they wouldn't have anything to compare C&RT's even more dismal performance with. I think there may be others on this thread who have only been on the cut a few years. Would you also seek to subtract credibility from their statements ? I know what Tony is getting at, new to boating members at our club think everything is great on our river. Those of us that have been boating oh here for a long time know a different story. It's not managed any where near as well. All the experience and knowledge of how to manage it has slowly disappeared with redundancies and retirement. Those that do have responsibility for its management are often not boaters so have no idea how their idiotic schemes impact boaters. A scratch under the surface shows you how poor things have become, I haven't time to sit and type all the crap things that have been done over the years, but a look at the works calendar shows you just how much is being let slide. teamup.com/ks42748cc81f4df974/There are some much bigger decisions going on behind the scenes, some that may one day cost someone their life. i will try and post a PDF sometime of their scheme for doing away with reversing the locks. Makes interesting reading.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 13:31:21 GMT
............ ............. .............. When I was chatting to the owners who I helped down the Caen Hill Flight in the summer just gone they had no issues with what CRT were or were not doing either. Opinions such as that are next to worthless. If, like you, their waterway knowledge and experience was limited to a few recent years of pleasure boating, including the latter years of BW's decline into becoming worse than useless and very definitely 'unfit for purpose', then they wouldn't have anything to compare C&RT's even more dismal performance with. Well I got the impression they had been on the water a much longer time than I ever had so I personally wouldn't dismiss that opinion as worthless, nor mine. In my case the simple and basic fact is we didn't leave the waterways because we were naffed of with CRT or that they sucked the fun out of boating (this being the subject of the thread), so although you dismiss that as worthless because we supposedly didn't/don't know how great it was in the 'good old days' it remains a fact.
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Post by smileypete on Oct 27, 2017 13:37:45 GMT
It is a fact that crt are sucking the life out of canal boat ownership. I suspect those denying this tend to not interact with others on the canals, and therefore have little, or no idea of what's going on around them. Low and behold, both Nick and bodger are straight in. The posts these two have made previously epitomizes my statement above. The people I interact on the canals with, are generally people who are cruising and thus we meet at locks. Happy hire boaters, leisure boaters enjoying a few days out. I tend not to interact with folk who sit in their boats with the curtains drawn grumping about how theyβve going to have to move again in 13 days. So I suggest that one's impression depends on the sort of boating you do and the sort of people you encounter doing it. Hello Pot, meet Mr Kettle. Cmon Nick you're often grumping, weren't you at it on CWDF about some less than shiny boat moored slightly too near a lock or something.
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Post by smileypete on Oct 27, 2017 13:39:26 GMT
Don't know Kris, I seem to remember people saying the same things about BWB thirty odd years ago. If those people who are moaning and leaving are people who are only on the cut because they can't find/afford something ashore, then my attitude is "Good". Why is that? Do you feel about that to all those people in that situation?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 27, 2017 13:40:35 GMT
Opinions such as that are next to worthless. If, like you, their waterway knowledge and experience was limited to a few recent years of pleasure boating, including the latter years of BW's decline into becoming worse than useless and very definitely 'unfit for purpose', then they wouldn't have anything to compare C&RT's even more dismal performance with. I think there may be others on this thread who have only been on the cut a few years. Would you also seek to subtract credibility from their statements ? Yes, if they haven't been boating since back when BW was staffed and managed by people who ran and maintained the waterways when they were still getting some use as a transport system as opposed to simply being a leisure facility, then their views and opinions cannot be anything other than uninformed, and therefore worthless. How can anyone possibly make a valid comparison of conditions, practices and standards from over half a Century ago with what's happening today, unless they have first hand experience of both ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 13:46:02 GMT
Yes but this thread was started on an internet forum full (mostly) of people with a varied amount of experience and knowledge.
You may as well just describe everyone else's opinion as worthless but at the end of the day people do have opinions and they are all just as valid as anyone else's.
My opinion is unique in that is is Right. If you don't realise that then I'm afraid I can't help you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 13:48:11 GMT
I think there may be others on this thread who have only been on the cut a few years. Would you also seek to subtract credibility from their statements ? Yes, if they haven't been boating since back when BW was staffed and managed by people who ran and maintained the waterways when they were getting some use as a transport system as opposed to a leisure facility, then their views and opinions cannot be anything other than uninformed, and therefore worthless. How can anyone possibly make a valid comparison of conditions, practices and standards from over half a Century ago with what's happening today, unless they have first hand experience of both ? Has kris been on the cut for half a century? Maybe he has but if not then it is your duty to also subtract credibility from his statements. Ah But you -agree- with him so can turn a blind eye
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 27, 2017 14:01:25 GMT
Opinions such as that are next to worthless. If, like you, their waterway knowledge and experience was limited to a few recent years of pleasure boating, including the latter years of BW's decline into becoming worse than useless and very definitely 'unfit for purpose', then they wouldn't have anything to compare C&RT's even more dismal performance with. Well I got the impression they had been on the water a much longer time than I ever had so I personally wouldn't dismiss that opinion as worthless, nor mine. In my case the simple and basic fact is we didn't leave the waterways because we were naffed of with CRT or that they sucked the fun out of boating (this being the subject of the thread), so although you dismiss that as worthless because we supposedly didn't/don't know how great it was in the 'good old days' it remains a fact. The 'good old days' are something that you have introduced into this - I haven't made mention of any such mythical time. Prior to what we have now, after 5 years of C&RT in charge of things, I wouldn't have believed it possible that any navigation authority could possibly sink below the level of performance that BW were achieving by the late 1990's and subsequently, but that's just what Parry and the Trustees have done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 14:22:03 GMT
How can anyone possibly make a valid comparison of conditions, practices and standards from over half a Century ago with what's happening today, unless they have first hand experience of both ? That is my point, in my case I wasn't making a comparison between how things were and how they are now I was pointing out that not everybody leaves the waterways because they are dischuffed with how things are with CRT, I believe others will have left for reasons other than this too. So in a thread about people leaving the waterways a post from somebody who has actually left the waterways is hardly 'worthless' simply because it doesn't fit with the concept that people are leaving because CRT are 'sucking the fun out of boating'.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 27, 2017 14:23:13 GMT
Opinions such as that are next to worthless. If, like you, their waterway knowledge and experience was limited to a few recent years of pleasure boating, including the latter years of BW's decline into becoming worse than useless and very definitely 'unfit for purpose', then they wouldn't have anything to compare C&RT's even more dismal performance with. Its to some extent swings and roundabouts regarding maintenance. In the 60s and 70s, most of the BCN was virtually unnavigable or at the very least, a major adventure. Now nearly all of it is great, well maintained and quite deep (Walsall canal excepted). Meantime yes some of the hitherto well maintained waterways such as the Grand Union, have deteriorated. You're confusing acceptable standards of maintenance with superficial and cosmetic tarting-up, . . mainly of the towpath and surroundings, rather than the cut itself.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 27, 2017 14:38:09 GMT
How can anyone possibly make a valid comparison of conditions, practices and standards from over half a Century ago with what's happening today, unless they have first hand experience of both ? That is my point, in my case I wasn't making a comparison between how things were and how they are now I was pointing out that not everybody leaves the waterways because they are dischuffed with how things are with CRT, I believe others will have left for reasons other than this too. So in a thread about people leaving the waterways a post from somebody who has actually left the waterways is hardly 'worthless' simply because it doesn't fit with the concept that people are leaving because CRT are 'sucking the fun out of boating'. If you go back to the first post I made in this thread you'll see that the point I'm making is that to hold C&RT responsible for the shit state our waterways are reverting to is to ignore the major role that BW had in instigating what could reasonably be branded as the the second era of decline of our inland waterways - the first era being a long drawn out process beginning with the advent of the railways and ending when road haulage joined in to take the last of the trade off the water. PS. Thank you for the 'greenie' you awarded me on Analworld a few days ago, Martin. It was the only one I got during the latest brief return to posting over there - I was given 3 warning points, all at once, a day or two later and banned for life, yet again !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 14:51:03 GMT
Yes I suppose if you just mingle with Hudson owners and other Β£100,000 boat owners then everything must seem fine. G@T on the back deck anyone. This raises quite an important technical point Did Steve Hudson build any cruiser sterns? I thought they were all trad. It's a bit awkward and slightly risky to have a G&T on the back deck (should be 'stern deck" btw) on a trad style narrow boat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 15:07:09 GMT
That is my point, in my case I wasn't making a comparison between how things were and how they are now I was pointing out that not everybody leaves the waterways because they are dischuffed with how things are with CRT, I believe others will have left for reasons other than this too. So in a thread about people leaving the waterways a post from somebody who has actually left the waterways is hardly 'worthless' simply because it doesn't fit with the concept that people are leaving because CRT are 'sucking the fun out of boating'. PS. Thank you for the 'greenie' you awarded me on Analworld a few days ago, Martin. It was the only one I got during the latest brief return to posting over there - I was given 3 warning points, all at once, a day or two later and banned for life, yet again ! Well I do agree with you on occasions....... (BTW I did think it was a bold move to return under an almost identical user name, the outcome was only going to be a predictable one though.)
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 27, 2017 15:12:28 GMT
Yes I suppose if you just mingle with Hudson owners and other Β£100,000 boat owners then everything must seem fine. G@T on the back deck anyone. This raises quite an important technical point Did Steve Hudson build any cruiser sterns? I thought they were all trad. It's a bit awkward and slightly risky to have a G&T on the back deck (should be 'stern deck" btw) on a trad style narrow boat. Plus the fact that with only the gunwhales along the cabin sides and the counter to stand on, there isn't really anywhere for the butler to stand at a suitably respectful distance whilst awaiting his master's next instructions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 15:12:55 GMT
You lucky, lucky bastard
What I wouldn't give to be banned for life.
I DREAM of being banned for life !
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