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Post by boatman on Jan 11, 2018 23:26:34 GMT
I’ve got a Toyota Prius, had it 4 months, no road tax, up to 70mpg. As I do 30000 miles a year chasing after you sad mother’s doing Boat safety’s, it’s fun to drive, saving me £1500 a year on fuel and tax, so suck it up 🖕
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Post by boatman on Jan 11, 2018 23:28:12 GMT
And yes it’s beer o’clock and I don’t give a fuck
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Post by peterboat on Jan 11, 2018 23:38:59 GMT
Is this the same Toytota car maker that has lots of hybrids and promises that all its models will have an electric version shortly? and the same Ross Clark that doesnt have any engineering qualifications at all? Ross it doesnt matter what you find on the tinternet in the next few years all development will be electric car first. Wind turbines as I said are spreading like weeds and the power needed will coincide with the ever increasing EV population. It will just happen. I took the bathtub out today, it uses 20AH to cruise at 2.7 mph, On a sunny day my 1 kW of solar produces 50AH so how much will it cost me to cruise in the bathtub? the answer is as much as it cost me to create it because I wont be paying anything to charge it will I? Now people buying Tesla cars get free charging at the moment so their running costs are very low as well, thats why people are going electric its because it cheap and about half the energy it uses is clean, which cannot be said about any fossil fuel powered vehicle. My mate has had a twizy since 2012, he parks it in his garage and charges it from solar, its range is 50 miles ish and its range from the batteries has never decreased and if it does they will be replaced free. Lots of people create solar garages to charge their vehicles, some do it because they are green others because they are mean! But, that's the thing Peter. Wind farms aren't green. I have it on good authority from a friend of mine ( who works as a design engineer for VESTAS LINK wind turbines), that it takes approx 17 years of constant operation to equal the same amount of power it took to manufacture the thing in the first place (we're talking proper job, full size wind turbines here). Then take into account that the wind turbine has; to be built, transported, erected, and constantly maintained. Now, build into the factor that a single wind turbine has an average life span of 21 years, before all major components need to be replaced. Is that really green?
Don't get me started on 'Solar Farms', in our climate they're futile.
Mick longford has 6 of these on his farm if they spin or not they are paid for so for times of the day they dont spin and dont wear. This all means that their life span is far longer than the 21 years, so they are in profit and still in good condition at the 21 year point. Philip another farm further down the M1 has been approached to put them on his land he has said yes and in a year or so they will be making electric when its needed and not when it aint, for me that is sound economic sense and its better than coal cos it only caused pollution when it was being built unlike any fossil burning energy plant.
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Post by peterboat on Jan 11, 2018 23:43:15 GMT
I took the bathtub out today, it uses 20AH to cruise at 2.7 mph, On a sunny day my 1 kW of solar produces 50AH so how much will it cost me to cruise in the bathtub? unit confusion. - 20AH per hour is simply 20A, if that is wot u meen. - do you mean that your 1KW of solar generates 50AH during a full sunny day, or is that 50AH per hour? Yes and 50 amps in the hour but not for long as my batteries get full up but solar panels dont work but they do for JohnV and myself
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Post by peterboat on Jan 12, 2018 0:08:34 GMT
Has anyone been to Warwick Castle? I went there years ago, and was enthralled by the waterwheel generating plant the 19thC Earl had built alongside the castle. Not only did he electrify the castle, he had an electric boat in its own boathouse on the other side of the river, with charging cables for the batteries running all the way to it. I have been and if I remember it on the TV about it as well or it could have been another big house/castle
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 0:12:02 GMT
Has anyone been to Warwick Castle? I went there years ago, and was enthralled by the waterwheel generating plant the 19thC Earl had built alongside the castle. Not only did he electrify the castle, he had an electric boat in its own boathouse on the other side of the river, with charging cables for the batteries running all the way to it. I have been and if I remember it on the TV about it as well or it could have been another big house/castle Marvellous, praise the Lord, we can all charge our cars via. Our castle watersheds. Ucking fell Peter you need to do better than this.....
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Post by Stumpy on Jan 12, 2018 2:26:40 GMT
But, that's the thing Peter. Wind farms aren't green. I have it on good authority from a friend of mine ( who works as a design engineer for VESTAS LINK wind turbines), that it takes approx 17 years of constant operation to equal the same amount of power it took to manufacture the thing in the first place (we're talking proper job, full size wind turbines here). Then take into account that the wind turbine has; to be built, transported, erected, and constantly maintained. Now, build into the factor that a single wind turbine has an average life span of 21 years, before all major components need to be replaced. Is that really green?
Don't get me started on 'Solar Farms', in our climate they're futile.
Mick longford has 6 of these on his farm if they spin or not they are paid for so for times of the day they dont spin and dont wear. This all means that their life span is far longer than the 21 years, so they are in profit and still in good condition at the 21 year point. Philip another farm further down the M1 has been approached to put them on his land he has said yes and in a year or so they will be making electric when its needed and not when it aint, for me that is sound economic sense and its better than coal cos it only caused pollution when it was being built unlike any fossil burning energy plant. Yeah But Peter, I think you may be missing my original point of: A wind turbine has to be in constant operation for 17 years, before it produces enough power to equal what it took to manufacture it in the first place. You have a thousand and one components to manufacture for those big beast's, the vast majority of which will be made of steel. This will involve mining the iron ore, transporting the ore to the steel works. Then the actual manufacture of the steel, either by Taffy polluting the skies of Port Talbot, or a diesel ship bringing it up from China. Then that steel has to be made into whatever, it could be a helical gear for the gearbox, or it could be one of the sections of the main tower. I could go on and on about the power needed to smelt the different metals involved, the power it takes to machine these components etc etc Here, I've grabbed a fairly simple diagram off the t'net, so that you can appreciate some of the components that go in to them.... So, that 17 years of constant operation isn't too far off the mark. Total life span 21 years - 17 years repayment = 4 years (+/- a year) of green electricity. Then out of that 4 years of 'Green Electricity', you have to subtract; maintenance costs, operating costs, consumable parts, transport (including road closures and the knock on effect it has on businesses whilst they're being transported), and other various factors. They're just not economically viable, and definitely not environmentally green.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 6:55:11 GMT
To help understand energy Flanders and Swan wrote and performed this little beauty.
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Post by thebfg on Jan 12, 2018 9:01:31 GMT
I’ve got a Toyota Prius, had it 4 months, no road tax, up to 70mpg. As I do 30000 miles a year chasing after you sad mother’s doing Boat safety’s, it’s fun to drive, saving me £1500 a year on fuel and tax, so suck it up 🖕 Do you get anti cyclists abusing you for have the audacity to drive on their roads and not pay any road tax.
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Post by peterboat on Jan 12, 2018 9:12:22 GMT
Mick longford has 6 of these on his farm if they spin or not they are paid for so for times of the day they dont spin and dont wear. This all means that their life span is far longer than the 21 years, so they are in profit and still in good condition at the 21 year point. Philip another farm further down the M1 has been approached to put them on his land he has said yes and in a year or so they will be making electric when its needed and not when it aint, for me that is sound economic sense and its better than coal cos it only caused pollution when it was being built unlike any fossil burning energy plant. Yeah But Peter, I think you may be missing my original point of: A wind turbine has to be in constant operation for 17 years, before it produces enough power to equal what it took to manufacture it in the first place. You have a thousand and one components to manufacture for those big beast's, the vast majority of which will be made of steel. This will involve mining the iron ore, transporting the ore to the steel works. Then the actual manufacture of the steel, either by Taffy polluting the skies of Port Talbot, or a diesel ship bringing it up from China. Then that steel has to be made into whatever, it could be a helical gear for the gearbox, or it could be one of the sections of the main tower. I could go on and on about the power needed to smelt the different metals involved, the power it takes to machine these components etc etc Here, I've grabbed a fairly simple diagram off the t'net, so that you can appreciate some of the components that go in to them.... So, that 17 years of constant operation isn't too far off the mark. Total life span 21 years - 17 years repayment = 4 years (+/- a year) of green electricity. Then out of that 4 years of 'Green Electricity', you have to subtract; maintenance costs, operating costs, consumable parts, transport (including road closures and the knock on effect it has on businesses whilst they're being transported), and other various factors. They're just not economically viable, and definitely not environmentally green. But any fossil fuel power station has the same issues, plus it then burns fossil fuels that are mined or drilled for before burning it, so they are never ever green so wind turbines are better along with solar and hydro
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Post by peterboat on Jan 12, 2018 9:13:52 GMT
I have been and if I remember it on the TV about it as well or it could have been another big house/castle Marvellous, praise the Lord, we can all charge our cars via. Our castle watersheds. Ucking fell Peter you need to do better than this..... Or you could install solar...................
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 12, 2018 9:15:28 GMT
Why can't prisoners be made to cycle on bikes that are fixed to the floor and which spin alternators, thus producing electricity? A few hours per day. Every prison could become a powerhouse! And it would keep the prisoners fit!
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Post by peterboat on Jan 12, 2018 9:17:35 GMT
Mick longford has 6 of these on his farm if they spin or not they are paid for so for times of the day they dont spin and dont wear. This all means that their life span is far longer than the 21 years, so they are in profit and still in good condition at the 21 year point. Philip another farm further down the M1 has been approached to put them on his land he has said yes and in a year or so they will be making electric when its needed and not when it aint, for me that is sound economic sense and its better than coal cos it only caused pollution when it was being built unlike any fossil burning energy plant. In our local area farmers are panicking at the thought they will have to fork out for dismantling of the windmill when it's time to go or be replaced. Farmers who are happy to have them probably know that they'll be raking in the money, and that they'll be dead before the mills have come to the end of their life, and won't have to part with their precious cash. The windmills in this area have been made in China (ffs!) and already the blades have started to fracture - you couldn't make this shit up! Talk about short-sightedness! Should have bought proper ones then.....................As for running on red diesel doubt it they get stopped to often and checked as they have a marker on them a s farmers
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Post by kris on Jan 12, 2018 13:09:03 GMT
The revenue people actually target farmers to check for use of red diesel.
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Post by thebfg on Jan 12, 2018 16:19:10 GMT
The revenue people actually target farmers to check for use of red diesel. They do. We used to through many checkpoints throughout the year in tractors, loaders etc etc. I was once driving a dodgy old tiny tractor towing a trailer full of quarter ton bails. I saw my boss coming back and h informed me of a checkpoint. I had to take a farm track and cut through a massive farm estate which was luckily an ed by his friends. Although we ran the farm vehicles legal on red it was a bit dodgy as the fields we were working were a long way from the farm. Getting to and from them was a legal grey area. Enjoyed those days bailing straw
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