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Post by peterboat on Jan 11, 2018 16:35:37 GMT
www.zap-map.com/live/www.zap-map.com/charge-points/public-charging-point-networks/"a senior engineer at Toyota Motor Corp. has this week said that electric cars are not practical, and they probably never will be." Oh, nooooooooo.....! www.geek.com/news/chief-toyota-engineer-says-electric-cars-are-not-practical-1620539/"First is the cost of batteries. Take the Nissan Leaf, the world’s best-selling electric car. Nissan’s website quotes a list price for the base model of £16,680. This, it turns out, excludes the batteries. You can either rent these from Nissan at a cost of £80 to £90 a month, depending on what mileage you cover, or you can buy the batteries at a further cost of £5,000. Nissan can only sell its electric cars at this price, however, thanks to a government subsidy of £4,500 per car. Without this subsidy, and including the cost of the batteries, your Nissan Leaf would cost £26,180." www.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/electric-cars-wont-get-us-very-far-because-they-cant/ Is this the same Toytota car maker that has lots of hybrids and promises that all its models will have an electric version shortly? and the same Ross Clark that doesnt have any engineering qualifications at all? Ross it doesnt matter what you find on the tinternet in the next few years all development will be electric car first. Wind turbines as I said are spreading like weeds and the power needed will coincide with the ever increasing EV population. It will just happen. I took the bathtub out today, it uses 20AH to cruise at 2.7 mph, On a sunny day my 1 kW of solar produces 50AH so how much will it cost me to cruise in the bathtub? the answer is as much as it cost me to create it because I wont be paying anything to charge it will I? Now people buying Tesla cars get free charging at the moment so their running costs are very low as well, thats why people are going electric its because it cheap and about half the energy it uses is clean, which cannot be said about any fossil fuel powered vehicle. My mate has had a twizy since 2012, he parks it in his garage and charges it from solar, its range is 50 miles ish and its range from the batteries has never decreased and if it does they will be replaced free. Lots of people create solar garages to charge their vehicles, some do it because they are green others because they are mean!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 17:14:09 GMT
I'm still waiting to hear how people who don't have off road parking are going to be catered for.
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 11, 2018 17:27:46 GMT
So it works out ok with a £4.5k subsidy and free charging. Our government is expecting to raise £27.5 billion in fuel duty in 2017-18, £1000 per household. Charging may be free now...
Eventually this move to electric will benefit the well off. The more land and capital, the more cars you'll be able to charge via your solar. Charging away from home will be expensive and heavily taxed like fuel is now. If you live in a terraced, or flat you'll be forced to buy all your electric. If you buy new you'll have new batteries but what is the future for 10-15 year old electric cars? Reduced range for same charge cost for old bangers will "punish" poorer people who now get along with a £500 economical diesel still more.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 11, 2018 18:43:09 GMT
So it works out ok with a £4.5k subsidy and free charging. Our government is expecting to raise £27.5 billion in fuel duty in 2017-18, £1000 per household. Charging may be free now...Eventually this move to electric will benefit the well off. The more land and capital, the more cars you'll be able to charge via your solar. Charging away from home will be expensive and heavily taxed like fuel is now. If you live in a terraced, or flat you'll be forced to buy all your electric. If you buy new you'll have new batteries but what is the future for 10-15 year old electric cars? Reduced range for same charge cost for old bangers will "punish" poorer people who now get along with a £500 economical diesel still more.You are absolutely right there, it may be free now, but as soon as everybody (that can afford) has an electric car, they'll have to pay for their charge, nothing is for free in this world. It all sounds very much like the stories about heroine dealers, they start with giving some poor bugger their addictive crap for free, but as soon as they can't live without it anymore it will cost a lot, and many of the users become criminals to be able to pay for their dose. Beware of future criminals driving electric cars they bought, pulled into this scam to become addicted, and when they have to pay (a lot for regular charges if they want to do any distance driving) they may have to become criminals too. A secondhand electric car would be like an seave that you have to throw money into, as the old batteries won't keep their charge, some clever (but blind and deaf) guy said that you only have to replace a couple of defective cels of these batteries, but as they'll all have the same age, I don't think that the supposedly still good cells will live much longer than the dead ones, and you'll have to keep on replacing cells until they're all new. As I can't afford an electric car, and they wouldn't be of any use to me, I will keep on driving my cheap old diesel car, that I can still maintain myself, and can afford. Long life to the good old diesel ! Peter.
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Post by Stumpy on Jan 11, 2018 19:48:40 GMT
www.zap-map.com/live/www.zap-map.com/charge-points/public-charging-point-networks/"a senior engineer at Toyota Motor Corp. has this week said that electric cars are not practical, and they probably never will be." Oh, nooooooooo.....! www.geek.com/news/chief-toyota-engineer-says-electric-cars-are-not-practical-1620539/"First is the cost of batteries. Take the Nissan Leaf, the world’s best-selling electric car. Nissan’s website quotes a list price for the base model of £16,680. This, it turns out, excludes the batteries. You can either rent these from Nissan at a cost of £80 to £90 a month, depending on what mileage you cover, or you can buy the batteries at a further cost of £5,000. Nissan can only sell its electric cars at this price, however, thanks to a government subsidy of £4,500 per car. Without this subsidy, and including the cost of the batteries, your Nissan Leaf would cost £26,180." www.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/electric-cars-wont-get-us-very-far-because-they-cant/ Is this the same Toytota car maker that has lots of hybrids and promises that all its models will have an electric version shortly? and the same Ross Clark that doesnt have any engineering qualifications at all? Ross it doesnt matter what you find on the tinternet in the next few years all development will be electric car first. Wind turbines as I said are spreading like weeds and the power needed will coincide with the ever increasing EV population. It will just happen. I took the bathtub out today, it uses 20AH to cruise at 2.7 mph, On a sunny day my 1 kW of solar produces 50AH so how much will it cost me to cruise in the bathtub? the answer is as much as it cost me to create it because I wont be paying anything to charge it will I? Now people buying Tesla cars get free charging at the moment so their running costs are very low as well, thats why people are going electric its because it cheap and about half the energy it uses is clean, which cannot be said about any fossil fuel powered vehicle. My mate has had a twizy since 2012, he parks it in his garage and charges it from solar, its range is 50 miles ish and its range from the batteries has never decreased and if it does they will be replaced free. Lots of people create solar garages to charge their vehicles, some do it because they are green others because they are mean! But, that's the thing Peter. Wind farms aren't green. I have it on good authority from a friend of mine ( who works as a design engineer for VESTAS LINK wind turbines), that it takes approx 17 years of constant operation to equal the same amount of power it took to manufacture the thing in the first place (we're talking proper job, full size wind turbines here). Then take into account that the wind turbine has; to be built, transported, erected, and constantly maintained. Now, build into the factor that a single wind turbine has an average life span of 21 years, before all major components need to be replaced. Is that really green?
Don't get me started on 'Solar Farms', in our climate they're futile.
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Post by bodger on Jan 11, 2018 19:51:28 GMT
I took the bathtub out today, it uses 20AH to cruise at 2.7 mph, On a sunny day my 1 kW of solar produces 50AH so how much will it cost me to cruise in the bathtub? unit confusion. - 20AH per hour is simply 20A, if that is wot u meen. - do you mean that your 1KW of solar generates 50AH during a full sunny day, or is that 50AH per hour?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 20:42:23 GMT
Is this the same Toytota car maker that has lots of hybrids and promises that all its models will have an electric version shortly? and the same Ross Clark that doesnt have any engineering qualifications at all? Ross it doesnt matter what you find on the tinternet in the next few years all development will be electric car first. Wind turbines as I said are spreading like weeds and the power needed will coincide with the ever increasing EV population. It will just happen. I took the bathtub out today, it uses 20AH to cruise at 2.7 mph, On a sunny day my 1 kW of solar produces 50AH so how much will it cost me to cruise in the bathtub? the answer is as much as it cost me to create it because I wont be paying anything to charge it will I? Now people buying Tesla cars get free charging at the moment so their running costs are very low as well, thats why people are going electric its because it cheap and about half the energy it uses is clean, which cannot be said about any fossil fuel powered vehicle. My mate has had a twizy since 2012, he parks it in his garage and charges it from solar, its range is 50 miles ish and its range from the batteries has never decreased and if it does they will be replaced free. Lots of people create solar garages to charge their vehicles, some do it because they are green others because they are mean! But, that's the thing Peter. Wind farms aren't green. I have it on good authority from a friend of mine ( who works as a design engineer for VESTAS LINK wind turbines), that it takes approx 17 years of constant operation to equal the same amount of power it took to manufacture the thing in the first place (we're talking proper job, full size wind turbines here). Then take into account that the wind turbine has; to be built, transported, erected, and constantly maintained. Now, build into the factor that a single wind turbine has an average life span of 21 years, before all major components need to be replaced. Is that really green?
Don't get me started on 'Solar Farms', in our climate they're futile.
www.elanvalley.org.uk/discover/reservoirs-dams/hydropower4.2 megawatts is enough to power around 1000 homes. www.ecotricity.co.uk/our-green-energy/our-green-electricity/from-the-wind/where-our-numbers-come-fromAll that water for brummies to drink and it's only capable of producing electricity for a measly 1000 homes, still a little is better than none I guess. Wind as pointed out is even worse!
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Post by JohnV on Jan 11, 2018 20:48:49 GMT
there was an interesting article in the Times today about the Cardiff Bay barrier scheme. It seems that the Welsh parliament has agreed to put up a "substantial sum" if the UK Govt decides to proceed
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Post by JohnV on Jan 11, 2018 20:50:25 GMT
Incidentally I agree with Peterboat that electric is on the way ....... I only differ from his view point on the speed at which it will happen ..... not the inevitability of it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 20:53:31 GMT
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Post by peterboat on Jan 11, 2018 21:01:54 GMT
I'm still waiting to hear how people who don't have off road parking are going to be catered for. You wont have a car so it doesnt matter a driverless electric one will sort out the issue
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Post by peterboat on Jan 11, 2018 21:06:37 GMT
Is this the same Toytota car maker that has lots of hybrids and promises that all its models will have an electric version shortly? and the same Ross Clark that doesnt have any engineering qualifications at all? Ross it doesnt matter what you find on the tinternet in the next few years all development will be electric car first. Wind turbines as I said are spreading like weeds and the power needed will coincide with the ever increasing EV population. It will just happen. I've just been looking a bit - I bet you liked my first 2 links
I took the bathtub out today, it uses 20AH to cruise at 2.7 mph, On a sunny day my 1 kW of solar produces 50AH so how much will it cost me to cruise in the bathtub? the answer is as much as it cost me to create it because I wont be paying anything to charge it will I? I was thinking today, whatever happened to Birmingham University's electric narrowboat/canal boat? If it really worked, and your solar panels boat works, why hasn't everybody already switched to solar-powered narrowboats?
Now people buying Tesla cars get free charging at the moment so their running costs are very low as well, thats why people are going electric its because it cheap.... I see people putting their heads in the Lion's Mouth. 'At the moment' - but not later, eh? Once they've fully committed themselves the trap closes. No free charging once they've got you by the wotsits. There's no way electric cars are going to be cheaper because politicians and Big Businesses want your money. I don't disagree at all about the pollution - every moment of every day there are billions of vehicles pumping out waste gases full of all kinds of 'orrible chemical compounds, and it just ain't natural.
My mate has had a twizy since 2012, he parks it in his garage and charges it from solar, its range is 50 miles ish and its range from the batteries has never decreased and if it does they will be replaced free. Lots of people create solar garages to charge their vehicles, some do it because they are green others because they are mean! Not everybody has a garage. His charging isn't free, is it? How will these cars cope with minus 30 Centigrade like what we'll have soon (down to minus 10 now). How long are these solar panels (Made in China I'll bet!) going to last, and into whose rubbish tip will they be disappearing when they don't work any more (one in Ghana or Nepal where the natives are thrown in jail if they complain?).The electric narrowboat was powered by Hydrogen wasnt it? which I have always said is neither use nor ornament
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 21:07:34 GMT
They are majestic things though. Between Marmonts Priory and March We raced pasts these before, during and after they were built on the Welsh Two Day Enduro They are huge, when they were being built we rode right underneath them across the brash that was strewn everywhere, the forestry commission where a bit slow at cleaning the area completely - this was before the fire road was properly established that the WRC cars used. That road is one of the fastest, flowing and enjoyable roads on the check, I had the most fun in there on the sidecar 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 21:10:07 GMT
I'm still waiting to hear how people who don't have off road parking are going to be catered for. You wont have a car so it doesnt matter a driverless electric one will sort out the issue Not in my lifetime! The engineering obstacles never mind the social and economic ones are too great to overcome.
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Post by NigelMoore on Jan 11, 2018 22:08:04 GMT
Has anyone been to Warwick Castle? I went there years ago, and was enthralled by the waterwheel generating plant the 19thC Earl had built alongside the castle. Not only did he electrify the castle, he had an electric boat in its own boathouse on the other side of the river, with charging cables for the batteries running all the way to it.
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