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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 8:47:06 GMT
No your wrong direct action takes many forms and protesting outside the Turkish embassy would be considered direct action. Obviously they decided stopping trains would be more dramatic and get more attention. Well I suppose it depends on how effective you want your 'direct action' to be, as in impact and hoped for outcome. I bit of peaceful placard waving outside Fearns Wharf is hardly going to draw much attention. It draws more attention than sitting at home doing nothing.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2018 8:49:23 GMT
I know what your saying John, but what's the alternative? Just sit back and let this shower rip the network to pieces? Kris, I don't know what the alternatives are, I just feel caution is needed to ensure.... ...that one doesn't upset the people in charge who might then turn their eye on one? Yes, people can be Heros and fight for a cause. Then they get shot and die. And everyone else carries on as if nothing has happened. Sometimes it's safer and more comfortable just watching from the side.
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Post by bills on Mar 13, 2018 8:51:33 GMT
These topless protests, such as the one by the woman in Italy against Silvio Berlusconi seem to attract a fair bit of media attention.
I think a few hundred Harold Shipman lookalikes in speedos and sandals would be pretty effective at drawing attention, perhaps with "Parry's Bonus is this big" and suchlike scrawled on the stomach in marker pen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 8:52:46 GMT
Well I suppose it depends on how effective you want your 'direct action' to be, as in impact and hoped for outcome. I bit of peaceful placard waving outside Fearns Wharf is hardly going to draw much attention. It draws more attention than sitting at home doing nothing. Agreed, but that is not my point. It's about impact if you really want to change anything. You referred earlier to countering the rose coloured view portrayed in recent tv programmes, you are going to have to do something quite big to counter that, the public will see the idyllic view portrayed and will need convincing that actually it's not really like that at all as others see it.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 13, 2018 8:53:04 GMT
These topless protests, such as the one by the woman in Italy against Silvio Berlusconi seem to attract a fair bit of media attention. I think a few hundred Harold Shipman lookalikes in speedos and sandals would be pretty effective at drawing attention, perhaps with "Parry's Bonus is this big" and suchlike scrawled on the stomach in marker pen. as ideas go, that is not the daftest
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 8:53:20 GMT
These topless protests, such as the one by the woman in Italy against Silvio Berlusconi seem to attract a fair bit of media attention. I think a few hundred Harold Shipman lookalikes in speedos and sandals would be pretty effective at drawing attention, perhaps with "Parry's Bonus is this big" and suchlike scrawled on the stomach in marker pen. I think your a very sick man, although it would be amusing.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 13, 2018 8:56:34 GMT
These topless protests, such as the one by the woman in Italy against Silvio Berlusconi seem to attract a fair bit of media attention. I think a few hundred Harold Shipman lookalikes in speedos and sandals would be pretty effective at drawing attention, perhaps with "Parry's Bonus is this big" and suchlike scrawled on the stomach in marker pen. I think your a very sick man, although it would be amusing. You miss the point Kris ....... something on that line would be amusing, amusing enough to get media coverage. Make it funny enough and it goes viral ...... then you have a protest.
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Post by bills on Mar 13, 2018 8:59:06 GMT
I think your a very sick man, although it would be amusing. You miss the point Kris ....... something on that line would be amusing, amusing enough to get media coverage. Make it funny enough and it goes viral ...... then you have a protest.
I think we may have our first volunteer...
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 9:00:54 GMT
It draws more attention than sitting at home doing nothing. Agreed, but that is not my point. It's about impact if you really want to change anything. You referred earlier to countering the rose coloured view portrayed in recent tv programmes, you are going to have to do something quite big to counter that, the public will see the idyllic view portrayed and will need convincing that actually it's not really like that at all as others see it. No it doesn't have to be big as you say. It has to be thought provoking and maybe amusing. But the most mportant think s making sure it gets media coverage, this is done by developing a relationship with the media before you ever mount an action. You don't just rely on them turning up as you seem to think. You form a proactive relationship with them through having a press officer. They always need new stories.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 9:02:02 GMT
I think your a very sick man, although it would be amusing. You miss the point Kris ....... something on that line would be amusing, amusing enough to get media coverage. Make it funny enough and it goes viral ...... then you have a protest. Did I miss the point John? I said it would be amusing. Amusing is much better than aggressive.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2018 9:02:55 GMT
How many here have bought the council house they were living in when the option to stop paying rent for it and buying it turned up? Lots of people saying "I paid 2,000 but now it's worth 150,000!" That is unfair ...... as a family we bought the rented house (private landlord, protected tenants) my parents had been renting since 1944. Because of the protected tenancy agreement we bought it at the sort of price some people were offered their council houses for. When eventually, after the deaths of both my parents, the house was sold it went for some 25 times the value that was paid for it. The "profit" was not something that even came vaguely into the reasons for purchase. My parents were born in the early years of the 20th century, were children through the first war, young adults during the depression ..... and they were from the northeast and new the worst of it. They migrated south to find work in the thirties and moved to Essex in the 40's. For them to own their own home , to be able to do what ever modifications and alterations they wished, was something they had never thought was possible. Profit ? you insult them and many like them. That's a fair point, that if people have been living in that house for many years and have pumped much rent into it. There are probably many different scenarios. But I saw the sudden disappearance, in the Thatcher days, of council housing as a snub to those who needed a place to live at a reasonable rent. Where do these people go nowadays for housing? How many are still living at home because there is no hope at all of ever being able to rent something, and no chance at all of ever being able to afford your own house. No intention of insulting your parents, John, or others like them - only those who guessed they'd be onto something, those who could have gone and bought their own house (or got a mortgage/loan) instead of taking away something that belonged 'to the nation'. I should like to see a society where rented accommodation is at a minimum, and people get decent wages for the work they do so that there's no worry about affording a house of their own, for starters! The housing market is just another cynical way of keeping the people under control. Keeping people worried about the ability to pay their mortgage keeps them off our backs, say the rich.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2018 9:05:16 GMT
Kris, I don't know what the alternatives are, I just feel caution is needed to ensure.... ...that one doesn't upset the people in charge who might then turn their eye on one? Yes, people can be Heros and fight for a cause. Then they get shot and die. And everyone else carries on as if nothing has happened. Sometimes it's safer and more comfortable just watching from the side. This was not a poke at John, just an observation in general. Applies to me too, I suppose. Why should I get myself in hot water, just stand back and watch the others bickering and protesting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 9:07:19 GMT
Do people already protest at crt, down that london way, i saw some stuff on social media last year about boats being homes and stuff, that didnt really achieve anything?
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 9:07:23 GMT
You do realise your quoting yourself now foxy?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 9:07:57 GMT
It was always said during the French revolution, that Great Britain would be safe from such unpleasantness because our population "couldn't really be arsed".
Okay, so not in those exact words.
We are currently going through a period of major change, ranging from brexit and its ramifications, to restructuring the welfare state. People's state pension, bus pass, and winter heating bonus is being moved ever backward. Students are being loaded with debt.
And we, the great British public "can't be arsed".
I don't believe direct action protests are going to have any significant effect on the issue. Most people are simply not interested.
The only meaningful pressure we can apply in my view, is by letters or e mails to C&RT and MP's.
Rog
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