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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 9:10:50 GMT
Do people already protest at crt, down that london way, i saw some stuff on social media last year about boats being homes and stuff, that didnt really achieve anything? You say that, but NBTA is the most effective body at stopping some of crt's more excessive plans. One of the main reasons crt haven introduced a surcharge for boats without a home mooring is the campaigning by NBTA. So quite effective I'd say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 9:14:24 GMT
I fear it is 'delayed a surcharge' for boats without a home mooring.
Being bombarded with protests about the current licence proposals may slow change down further.
If the proposals are quietly accepted, get ready!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 9:15:05 GMT
Do people already protest at crt, down that london way, i saw some stuff on social media last year about boats being homes and stuff, that didnt really achieve anything? You say that, but NBTA is the most effective body at stopping some of crt's more excessive plans. One of the main reasons crt haven introduced a surcharge for boats without a home mooring is the campaigning by NBTA. So quite effective I'd say. No, i asked that, and you answered. So why not jump in bed with NBTA then and see what can be done, not just on the homes are boats thing, but the whole CRT ruining the waterways?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 9:15:25 GMT
Agreed, but that is not my point. It's about impact if you really want to change anything. You referred earlier to countering the rose coloured view portrayed in recent tv programmes, you are going to have to do something quite big to counter that, the public will see the idyllic view portrayed and will need convincing that actually it's not really like that at all as others see it. No it doesn't have to be big as you say. It has to be thought provoking and maybe amusing. But the most mportant think s making sure it gets media coverage, this is done by developing a relationship with the media before you ever mount an action. You don't just rely on them turning up as you seem to think. You form a proactive relationship with them through having a press officer. They always need new stories. Well as usual you have read something into my posts that wasn't there, at no point did I suggest 'just rely on them turning up' would be effective. It is indeed about getting the media on side, but the media like something newsworthy too.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 9:15:40 GMT
It was always said during the French revolution, that Great Britain would be safe from such unpleasantness because our population "couldn't really be arsed". Okay, so not in those exact words. We are currently going through a period of major change, ranging from brexit and its ramifications, to restructuring the welfare state. People's state pension, bus pass, and winter heating bonus is being moved ever backward. Students are being loaded with debt. And we, the great British public "can't be arsed". I don't believe direct action protests are going to have any significant effect on the issue. Most people are simply not interested. The only meaningful pressure we can apply in my view, is by letters or e mails to C&RT and MP's. Rog I belive it's a combination of things that are going to be effective, direct action has its place in the tool box. But your right over coming the general apathy is a big issue. By the way rog have you had a reply from Richard parry yet?
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2018 9:16:40 GMT
It draws more attention than sitting at home doing nothing. Agreed, but that is not my point. It's about impact if you really want to change anything. You referred earlier to countering the rose coloured view portrayed in recent tv programmes Now I've got it! Timmy and Pru to chain themselves to Banbury Lock! Easy access from London (Chiltern Railways) by train for the journalists.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 9:17:07 GMT
You say that, but NBTA is the most effective body at stopping some of crt's more excessive plans. One of the main reasons crt haven introduced a surcharge for boats without a home mooring is the campaigning by NBTA. So quite effective I'd say. No, i asked that, and you answered. So why not jump in bed with NBTA then and see what can be done, not just on the homes are boats thing, but the whole CRT ruining the waterways? I'm already a member of NBTA and have been for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 9:19:32 GMT
Agreed, but that is not my point. It's about impact if you really want to change anything. You referred earlier to countering the rose coloured view portrayed in recent tv programmes Now I've got it! Timmy and Pru to chain themselves to Banbury Lock! Easy access from London (Chiltern Railways) by train for the journalists. Sometimes you talk bollocks but actually that would get the publicity required. They were very (apparently) active in restoring the k and a so would I guess hate to see the waterways fall back to how they were.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2018 9:21:13 GMT
You do realise your quoting yourself now foxy? Yes. It was deliberate.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 9:22:30 GMT
You do realise your quoting yourself now foxy? Yes. It was deliberate. Just checking
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 9:26:26 GMT
I will let everyone know should I get a reply. I'm not expecting one I'm glad there are people around who are prepared to commit time and energy to protest and to be our guardians, even if I don't always agree with them. I think the best we who 'can't be arsed' can do is follow the arguments, keep abreast of current opinions, and make our own small protests where we can. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 9:26:47 GMT
No, i asked that, and you answered. So why not jump in bed with NBTA then and see what can be done, not just on the homes are boats thing, but the whole CRT ruining the waterways? I'm already a member of NBTA and have been for a while. Good stuff, so are you speaking to them about what their plans are, do they have any plans, how do they feel about crt and the state of the network? They have a lot of members i presume, so would be better placed to instigate something, rather than one man ?
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 9:29:08 GMT
I fear it is 'delayed a surcharge' for boats without a home mooring. Being bombarded with protests about the current licence proposals may slow change down further. If the proposals are quietly accepted, get ready! Rog This is exactly right rog cart think they have been clever ,splitting the opposition by delaying the surcharge for boats without a home mooring. Im sure if the preposals are quietly excepted the widebeam surcharge will steadily rise as well.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 9:30:44 GMT
I'm already a member of NBTA and have been for a while. Good stuff, so are you speaking to them about what their plans are, do they have any plans, how do they feel about crt and the state of the network? They have a lot of members i presume, so would be better placed to instigate something, rather than one man ? I'm not a representive of NBTA so not able to talk for them, if your interested in finding out what they think then I would suggest joining them. From being involved in direct action campaigns before, I'm aware it's not about numbers, a small group of committed individuals can be very effective.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2018 9:50:45 GMT
I will let everyone know should I get a reply. I'm not expecting one I'm glad there are people around who are prepared to commit time and energy to protest and to be our guardians, even if I don't always agree with them. I think the best we who 'can't be arsed' can do is follow the arguments, keep abreast of current opinions, and make our own small protests where we can. Rog Yes I'll let you know if I get a reply, I'm not really expecting one, but it would be polite if he did.
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