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Post by tadworth on Mar 16, 2018 23:50:11 GMT
Any tips on how to bid on a CRT long term mooring, and how to win ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 0:07:11 GMT
Any tips on how to bid on a CRT long term mooring, and how to win ? Leave it to the last minute, and bid the highest amount you are prepared to pay. It's not rocket science.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 7:51:23 GMT
Last minute bidding doesn't work because the system will add more time specifically to avoid this happening.
There used to be some sort of scam but you needed to have more than 1 bidder and someone pays the default fee for not taking up the mooring. Its a bit complicated but there was a scam going at one time. I think CRT now look for suspicious bidding specially on popular moorings.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 17, 2018 8:12:20 GMT
Any tips on how to bid on a CRT long term mooring, and how to win ? Bribe someone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 8:18:11 GMT
Any tips on how to bid on a CRT long term mooring, and how to win ? It was described a while ago on cwdf. I have copied the description below for you as I think this might be what you are referring to. I don't think it actually works though . ------- Quote from cwdf member "starcoaster" " Assuming you want to win an auction where you suspect there will be a lot of demand and it will go for a high price, you can pretty much guarantee yourself to get it at the reserve or just over as long as you are the first bidder or early on outbid someone else at a low price- and have no moral scruples. 1. Log in/register on the auction site with your real details, the ones you ultimately want to take the mooring under. 2. Place your bid, at the reserve price or lowest possible price. you are now the only, or high bidder. 3. Register on the site with a load of totally different and false details that you never intend to honour. 4. Make a ridiculously high bid under this fake I.D. number one, one that no genuine bidder would consider matching. 5. Register on the site again, with a second load of totally different and false details that you never intend to honour. 6. Make another ridiculously high bid under this fake I.D. number two, that just tops your fake bid number one. This is necessary, as otherwise your fake bid number one will only be counted as one degree over your genuine bid, and an unrelated and genuine bidder might come in and bid higher than your genuine bid, topping your genuine bid in the cascading list of bidders. 7. No one else genuine will bid now, as the mooring is so overpriced and they will have to pledge an unrealistically high price to top your two fake bids. 8. Auction ends: Fake bid I.D. two defaults, and CRT can do nothing as all of their details were false. 9. A couple of weeks pass, then CRT offers the mooring to Fake bid I.D. number one, which is in no way bound to take it as they were not the high bidder (meaning you can retain that fake I.D. with CRT in good standing in case you need to use it again- but it doesn't matter anyway as it is fake, and CRT can do nothing...) and so rejects the offer to take the mooring. 10. Next bidder down is your genuine bid, at the reserve or bottom price. CRT offer the mooring to you (as it says in their auction guidelines, they will keep going down the bidder list if high bidders default until someone takes it prior to relisting it) and you take it, paying the minimum amount possible for it and having locked out all of the other potential genuine bidders from having a chance at it." --------- There ya go Tadworth get on with it !
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 17, 2018 8:26:05 GMT
That's clever - and I'm sure I've seen similar 'goadings' by the seller on some items on eBay Last week, for instance, I was bidding on a pair of Musto yachting salopettes (for driving our boat in the rain). I pushed it to £59 against 'a mad bidder' and when they jumped over by a Pound to £60 I thought - you can have 'em! I think they started off around £8. Not paying £60 for someone's old trousers.
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Post by kris on Mar 17, 2018 9:35:53 GMT
Any tips on how to bid on a CRT long term mooring, and how to win ? It was described a while ago on cwdf. I have copied the description below for you as I think this might be what you are referring to. I don't think it actually works though . ------- Quote from cwdf member "starcoaster" " Assuming you want to win an auction where you suspect there will be a lot of demand and it will go for a high price, you can pretty much guarantee yourself to get it at the reserve or just over as long as you are the first bidder or early on outbid someone else at a low price- and have no moral scruples. 1. Log in/register on the auction site with your real details, the ones you ultimately want to take the mooring under. 2. Place your bid, at the reserve price or lowest possible price. you are now the only, or high bidder. 3. Register on the site with a load of totally different and false details that you never intend to honour. 4. Make a ridiculously high bid under this fake I.D. number one, one that no genuine bidder would consider matching. 5. Register on the site again, with a second load of totally different and false details that you never intend to honour. 6. Make another ridiculously high bid under this fake I.D. number two, that just tops your fake bid number one. This is necessary, as otherwise your fake bid number one will only be counted as one degree over your genuine bid, and an unrelated and genuine bidder might come in and bid higher than your genuine bid, topping your genuine bid in the cascading list of bidders. 7. No one else genuine will bid now, as the mooring is so overpriced and they will have to pledge an unrealistically high price to top your two fake bids. 8. Auction ends: Fake bid I.D. two defaults, and CRT can do nothing as all of their details were false. 9. A couple of weeks pass, then CRT offers the mooring to Fake bid I.D. number one, which is in no way bound to take it as they were not the high bidder (meaning you can retain that fake I.D. with CRT in good standing in case you need to use it again- but it doesn't matter anyway as it is fake, and CRT can do nothing...) and so rejects the offer to take the mooring. 10. Next bidder down is your genuine bid, at the reserve or bottom price. CRT offer the mooring to you (as it says in their auction guidelines, they will keep going down the bidder list if high bidders default until someone takes it prior to relisting it) and you take it, paying the minimum amount possible for it and having locked out all of the other potential genuine bidders from having a chance at it." --------- There ya go Tadworth get on with it ! that would explain some of the ridiculously high bids you see on the mooring auction site. I thought they where getting rid of auctions again? Apart from at popular sites.
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Post by Jim on Mar 17, 2018 9:43:38 GMT
That's clever - and I'm sure I've seen similar 'goadings' by the seller on some items on eBay Last week, for instance, I was bidding on a pair of Musto yachting salopettes (for driving our boat in the rain). I pushed it to £59 against 'a mad bidder' and when they jumped over by a Pound to £60 I thought - you can have 'em! I think they started off around £8. Not paying £60 for someone's old trousers. ....and thereby you have demonstrated the psychological approach I take, you were prepared to pay 59 but not 60, I would have bid 61, just above that "too dear for me" threshold. I've got several things by that method. I have also combined last minute with highest in prepared to bid, it's hard/impossible for anyone else to chip away at at the last minute. £600 of Worcester boat windows for £49, I put £200 on with 5 minutes to go.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 17, 2018 9:50:53 GMT
That's clever - and I'm sure I've seen similar 'goadings' by the seller on some items on eBay Last week, for instance, I was bidding on a pair of Musto yachting salopettes (for driving our boat in the rain). I pushed it to £59 against 'a mad bidder' and when they jumped over by a Pound to £60 I thought - you can have 'em! I think they started off around £8. Not paying £60 for someone's old trousers. ....and thereby you have demonstrated the psychological approach I take, you were prepared to pay 59 but not 60, I would have bid 61, just above that "too dear for me" threshold. I've got several things by that method. I have also combined last minute with highest in prepared to bid, it's hard/impossible for anyone else to chip away at at the last minute. £600 of Worcester boat windows for £49, I put £200 on with 5 minutes to go. You're even better off using an auction sniper which will put your bid on three seconds before the auction ends, leaving not enough time for any other watcher to come back with a counterbid.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 17, 2018 13:06:17 GMT
Yes, Jim - if I had bid £80 in the last 10 seconds, I would 'of' got 'em (heh, heh) for something like £61-£62, but I haven't been driving the boat in the rain so often, and £60 buys five bags of coal (five weeks' worth of heat). I can bide my time and keep an eye out for a better bargain - just got myself two 'proper' sailing jackets, Splashdown on left for £5.00 and Henri Lloyd on right for £10.00. Just need trousers now.
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Post by Jim on Mar 17, 2018 14:01:44 GMT
Yes, Jim - if I had bid £80 in the last 10 seconds, I would 'of' got 'em (heh, heh) for something like £61-£62, but I haven't been driving the boat in the rain so often, and £60 buys five bags of coal (five weeks' worth of heat). I can bide my time and keep an eye out for a better bargain - just got myself two 'proper' sailing jackets, Splashdown on left for £5.00 and Henri Lloyd on right for £10.00. Just need trousers now. Nice couple "have" jackets there lad. Fair enough, missing the trizers, but it did illustrate my point. People think £55.99 is way cheaper than £60. People are stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 14:38:41 GMT
It was described a while ago on cwdf. I have copied the description below for you as I think this might be what you are referring to. I don't think it actually works though . ------- Quote from cwdf member "starcoaster" " Assuming you want to win an auction where you suspect there will be a lot of demand and it will go for a high price, you can pretty much guarantee yourself to get it at the reserve or just over as long as you are the first bidder or early on outbid someone else at a low price- and have no moral scruples. 1. Log in/register on the auction site with your real details, the ones you ultimately want to take the mooring under. 2. Place your bid, at the reserve price or lowest possible price. you are now the only, or high bidder. 3. Register on the site with a load of totally different and false details that you never intend to honour. 4. Make a ridiculously high bid under this fake I.D. number one, one that no genuine bidder would consider matching. 5. Register on the site again, with a second load of totally different and false details that you never intend to honour. 6. Make another ridiculously high bid under this fake I.D. number two, that just tops your fake bid number one. This is necessary, as otherwise your fake bid number one will only be counted as one degree over your genuine bid, and an unrelated and genuine bidder might come in and bid higher than your genuine bid, topping your genuine bid in the cascading list of bidders. 7. No one else genuine will bid now, as the mooring is so overpriced and they will have to pledge an unrealistically high price to top your two fake bids. 8. Auction ends: Fake bid I.D. two defaults, and CRT can do nothing as all of their details were false. 9. A couple of weeks pass, then CRT offers the mooring to Fake bid I.D. number one, which is in no way bound to take it as they were not the high bidder (meaning you can retain that fake I.D. with CRT in good standing in case you need to use it again- but it doesn't matter anyway as it is fake, and CRT can do nothing...) and so rejects the offer to take the mooring. 10. Next bidder down is your genuine bid, at the reserve or bottom price. CRT offer the mooring to you (as it says in their auction guidelines, they will keep going down the bidder list if high bidders default until someone takes it prior to relisting it) and you take it, paying the minimum amount possible for it and having locked out all of the other potential genuine bidders from having a chance at it." --------- There ya go Tadworth get on with it ! that would explain some of the ridiculously high bids you see on the mooring auction site. I thought they where getting rid of auctions again? Apart from at popular sites. Yes I think they are getting rid of the auctions but if they did that in popular areas (change to a "buy now" option) what might happen is people put boats on the mooring and sell them "with the mooring" in the sense that while the mooring is not transferable the buyer will be able to buy the mooring when it becomes available again. I don't quite know how that works I suppose you have to be the first to open the web page and click the buy now option ? Bit odd really.
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Post by tadworth on Mar 20, 2018 7:20:31 GMT
Do CRT allow you to move to another vacant space on the same mooring site if you are already moored there, without re bidding for it ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 7:40:15 GMT
Last minute bidding doesn't work because the system will add more time specifically to avoid this happening. There used to be some sort of scam but you needed to have more than 1 bidder and someone pays the default fee for not taking up the mooring. Its a bit complicated but there was a scam going at one time. I think CRT now look for suspicious bidding specially on popular moorings. That only works if somebody is quick enough to respond, they don't extend them infinitum. That is exactly how we won our auctioned mooring.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 7:42:22 GMT
Do CRT allow you to move to another vacant space on the same mooring site if you are already moored there, without re bidding for it ? If you look at your mooring agreement they normally say the mooring is not tied to a specific spot at the site. In practice they are but there is nothing to say you couldn't ask quoting your agreement.
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