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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 7:43:54 GMT
If the mooring is the same size and not two smaller moorings then I think you'd be okay. Problem is crt come with measuring equipment and try to eke out as many moorings as possible so if the slot is longer than your existing one they may object. It is written in the mooring agreement (at least I think so) that you do not have a specific allocated spot anyway. On a LTM that is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 7:45:37 GMT
It is written in the mooring agreement (at least I think so) that you do not have a specific allocated spot anyway. On a LTM that is. They do say that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 7:46:15 GMT
Last minute bidding doesn't work because the system will add more time specifically to avoid this happening. There used to be some sort of scam but you needed to have more than 1 bidder and someone pays the default fee for not taking up the mooring. Its a bit complicated but there was a scam going at one time. I think CRT now look for suspicious bidding specially on popular moorings. That only works if somebody is quick enough to respond, they don't extend them infinitum. That is exactly how we won our auctioned mooring. Oh well. I thought if there was a bid in last 5 minutes it automatically extended by 5 minutes. That's how I remember it anyway and I've acquired 3 moorings on the auction system since it was introduced.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 8:11:44 GMT
That only works if somebody is quick enough to respond, they don't extend them infinitum. That is exactly how we won our auctioned mooring. Oh well. I thought if there was a bid in last 5 minutes it automatically extended by 5 minutes. That's how I remember it anyway and I've acquired 3 moorings on the auction system since it was introduced. I don't think I actually said any different.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 8:50:07 GMT
Some of the old farts at exhall basin need to bloody do one, i have been keeping an eye out for a mooring in there for three years and never seen one come up, lovely little basin that is ideal for me..
Maybe stabby can visit and do one of the oldies...
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 20, 2018 8:53:50 GMT
Some of the old farts at exhall basin need to bloody do one, i have been keeping an eye out for a mooring in there for three years and never seen one come up, lovely little basin that is ideal for me.. Maybe stabby can visit and do one of the oldies... I bet that costs an absolute fortune. Council tax on top too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 9:17:08 GMT
Oh well. I thought if there was a bid in last 5 minutes it automatically extended by 5 minutes. That's how I remember it anyway and I've acquired 3 moorings on the auction system since it was introduced. I don't think I actually said any different. I assumed the 5 minutes would just get added on again and again but you reckon its not "infinitum" which sort of defeats the object if you see what I mean.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 9:18:03 GMT
well yes as its an official live aboard marina, but its nice, perfectly located for me and my boat, i dont mind paying money for something if it suits my needs.
Never get in there though coz no fucker leaves, although in a few months it will more than likely be owned by NCP car parks and the oldies will bugger off as the pension payments dont cover the rent!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 9:19:28 GMT
I don't think I actually said any different. I assumed the 5 minutes would just get added on again and again but you reckon its not "ad finitum" which sort of defeats the object if you see what I mean. ISTR it doesn't (or didn't) though. There was IIRC some sort of limit on how many times/how long the end time would extend. I'm going back 7 years though.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 20, 2018 9:24:10 GMT
well yes as its an official live aboard marina, but its nice, perfectly located for me and my boat, i dont mind paying money for something if it suits my needs. Never get in there though coz no fucker leaves, although in a few months it will more than likely be owned by NCP car parks and the oldies will bugger off as the pension payments dont cover the rent! I would imagine that the only way in is to buy a boat that is already there at an inflated price when an owner dies, with an understanding that the mooring can be taken over with the boat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 9:24:34 GMT
2011 was the year I first used the auction system. As it was a London residential mooring there was quite a bit of demand at the time and the 5 minute thing was activated once or twice due to last minute bidding.
I assumed it would just carry on like that but then at some point the reasonable price point is reached anyway and people stop bidding.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 9:29:16 GMT
There is a very interesting mooring auction coming up this summer. One of my neighbour sold an unpowered wide beam with the rest of the year's mooring ticket transferable (houseboat certificate). Then the new owner will have to bid to keep the mooring once the ticket has run out (08/18) because they are not assignable moorings and no grandfather rights associated with the boat itself. Its a zone 2 London mooring and the boat has no engine, direct water connection (no tank) and 230v lighting (no 12v). It will not function without a residential mooring.
This could get interesting !! I have already been told by CRT that the mooring will be auctioned and not a buy now.
Obviously the current occupier is under a stressed state and would have to be the high bidder but at the end of the day anyone with a suitable boat can bid as its an open auction.
Quite an unusual situation really.
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Post by NigelMoore on Mar 20, 2018 10:40:32 GMT
Quite an unusual situation really. And not strictly legal, in my understanding of the BW houseboat legislation [though I have not examined it in depth - Simon Robbins is the expert on this]. nabo.org.uk/files/nabo-news/nn-2011/1.pdf pages 18,19 CaRT are doing their usual thing of re-interpreting the provisions of the 1971 Act to remove what they would see as onerous [to then] obligation attaching to houseboat certificates. They are continuing the BW run-down of numbers issued, but until they have rid themselves of them entirely, they wish to reduce the impact on them of needing to provide security of tenure.
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Post by kris on Mar 20, 2018 11:03:14 GMT
There is a very interesting mooring auction coming up this summer. One of my neighbour sold an unpowered wide beam with the rest of the year's mooring ticket transferable (houseboat certificate). Then the new owner will have to bid to keep the mooring once the ticket has run out (08/18) because they are not assignable moorings and no grandfather rights associated with the boat itself. Its a zone 2 London mooring and the boat has no engine, direct water connection (no tank) and 230v lighting (no 12v). It will not function without a residential mooring. This could get interesting !! I have already been told by CRT that the mooring will be auctioned and not a buy now. Obviously the current occupier is under a stressed state and would have to be the high bidder but at the end of the day anyone with a suitable boat can bid as its an open auction. Quite an unusual situation really. all they have to do is, run the scam you so succinctly described in this thread. I'm sure this is the reason for some of the ridiculous prices you see on the mooring site.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 13:20:06 GMT
Have a look at the t&c for auctions on the waterside moorings site kris. Quite a lot of specifics have crept in and it looks like they (crt) will be able to stamp out the naughtiness.
And as for the houseboat thing yes CRT are pulling the rug somewhat but I believe people who previously had assignment rights keep them under a grandfather rights situation which does not apply to my neighbour as the moorings are relatively recent and have never been assignable as far as I know.
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