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Post by bargemast on Apr 6, 2018 8:50:39 GMT
How does the beam of someone's boat correlate with their boating ability and know-how ? Wide beams look much more like apartments. That doesn't look like an answer on Tony's question, does it ? Peter.
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Post by kris on Apr 6, 2018 8:50:47 GMT
This looks like and sounds like the fuckwits I met on the Leeds and Liverpool just after they bought it. Doesn't sound like they've learnt a lot in the mean time. I heard complaints about them all the way up the west side of the L&L. I don't think if fair to tar every widebeam owner with the same brush. As John said these kind of people won't be effected by the increase. I agree with you Kris, it's not fair to tar all the widebeam owners with the same brush, but this by the looks of it brand new widebeam, and possibly brand new owner to the waterways, definitely needs some tarring to teach him what NOT to do, to make sure he's not going to continue like this. One way or another he has to understand that paying for his licence meant that he's allowed to use the waterways, but the licence isn't there to give him the ownership of them, so he needs a lesson, with- or without the tar-brush, but some tar brushing will make him (or possibly her) remember surely it a bit longer Peter. There will be plenty of narrowboat owners with the same bad- and inconsiderate behaviour than this widebeam owner. i don't know Peter, if these are the same people I met, they are the kind of people who don't learn much. Because all the other people are wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 8:54:05 GMT
Wide beams look much more like apartments. That doesn't look like an answer on Tony's question, does it ? Peter. You might find that as a rule someone who has a floating apartment may well have less interest in boat handling. Not a universal rule just an observation. Someone looking for an apartment probably won't choose a narrow boat.
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Post by bargemast on Apr 6, 2018 8:54:45 GMT
I agree with you Kris, it's not fair to tar all the widebeam owners with the same brush, but this by the looks of it brand new widebeam, and possibly brand new owner to the waterways, definitely needs some tarring to teach him what NOT to do, to make sure he's not going to continue like this. One way or another he has to understand that paying for his licence meant that he's allowed to use the waterways, but the licence isn't there to give him the ownership of them, so he needs a lesson, with- or without the tar-brush, but some tar brushing will make him (or possibly her) remember surely it a bit longer Peter. There will be plenty of narrowboat owners with the same bad- and inconsiderate behaviour than this widebeam owner. i don't know Peter, if these are the same people I met, they are the kind of people who don't learn much. Because all the other people are wrong. The tar-brush could probably motivate them to learn much quicker, they're probably right in thinking that all the other people are wrong, because of the lack of tar brushing. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 8:59:09 GMT
And someone who has a floating apartment will probably only move it every two weeks as they are obliged to. If they weren't obliged to they wouldn't move. There is not much motivation to do pleasure boating which means less hours which perhaps means less experience? So the beam of someone's boat does not indicate there experience level directly in all cases but andyberg is correct in identifying a "new type" of boat / floating apartment owner
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Post by bargemast on Apr 6, 2018 8:59:56 GMT
That doesn't look like an answer on Tony's question, does it ? Peter. You might find that as a rule someone who has a floating apartment may well have less interest in boat handling. Not a universal rule just an observation. Someone looking for an apartment probably won't choose a narrow boat.
Wouldn't that be very much depending on where they'll be most of the time ? There is a fair chance that many narrowboat owners would have prefered a widebeam, but due to lack of funds- or cruising area, they had to limit themselfs to a narrowbeam. Peter.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 6, 2018 9:00:08 GMT
I have met inconsiderate boat users of all widths! I have seen all of the Huddersfield broad drained by Eastern Europeans for fish collecting! It isnt always the widebeam owners first boat it could be their second or third!. Yesterday at Tinsley a lady I was chatting to aspires to be a widebeam owner wven though she loves her narrowboat, her reason is the same as mine our waterways were designed for them not toy boats like narrowboats are
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 9:01:53 GMT
You might find that as a rule someone who has a floating apartment may well have less interest in boat handling. Not a universal rule just an observation. Someone looking for an apartment probably won't choose a narrow boat.
Wouldn't that be very much depending on where they'll be most of the time ? There is a fair chance that many narrowboat owners would have prefered a widebeam, but due to lack of funds- or cruising area, they had to limit themselfs to a narrowbeam. Peter. There will be those too obviously. But they may choose the apartment. Once you get into wide beam territory you are looking at internal floor space similar to an apartment. Narrow boats do not offer this.
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Post by bargemast on Apr 6, 2018 9:02:43 GMT
And someone who has a floating apartment will probably only move it every two weeks as they are obliged to. If they weren't obliged to they wouldn't move. There is not much motivation to do pleasure boating which means less hours which perhaps means less experience? So the beam of someone's boat does not indicate there experience level directly in all cases but andyberg is correct in identifying a " new type" of boat / floating apartment owner By what I read in Andy's posts, I rather think that it's just a "NEW" boat owner, with no experience whatsoever of the use of canals- and their rules. Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Apr 6, 2018 9:11:59 GMT
Wouldn't that be very much depending on where they'll be most of the time ? There is a fair chance that many narrowboat owners would have prefered a widebeam, but due to lack of funds- or cruising area, they had to limit themselfs to a narrowbeam. Peter. There will be those too obviously. But they may choose the apartment. Once you get into wide beam territory you are looking at internal floor space similar to an apartment. Narrow boats do not offer this. You obviously went to a good school, as I would never have thought that there would be more internal floor space on a wide beam than on a narrowboat Apartments exist in all sizes too, spaces that counted as a cupboard in London- and many other big cities 40 years ago, are now advertised as small apartments. The whole world has gone mad (could that be the reason I'm mad too ?). Peter.
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Post by kris on Apr 6, 2018 9:51:31 GMT
I suppose the point is yes these are inconsiderate arrogant boaters, but to to relate that to the width of their boat is spurious at the best.
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Post by cygnus on Apr 6, 2018 10:22:41 GMT
When I complained to Jon Horsfall about the widebeam licence rise, I received an emailed reply from a Matthew Symonds, the guy who twice referred to Liveaboard Boaters as "Gits" at a meeting. In the reply he repeated something that I have seen elsewhere, and that is "widebeams have a more comfortable space". Since when was the comfort level of a boat considered when looking at licence fees?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 6, 2018 11:24:50 GMT
When I complained to Jon Horsfall about the widebeam licence rise, I received an emailed reply from a Matthew Symonds, the guy who twice referred to Liveaboard Boaters as "Gits" at a meeting. In the reply he repeated something that I have seen elsewhere, and that is "widebeams have a more comfortable space". Since when was the comfort level of a boat considered when looking at licence fees? I view remarks such as that as a reliable pointer as to the mentality of whoever makes them. Such thoughts and reasoning originating from the likes of Horsfall and Symonds comes as no surprise at all.
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 6, 2018 11:43:58 GMT
Then... Come round the corner to where I moor and the big fucknuggets moored on the bastard waterpoint!šš If widebeam price hikes discourage dipshit, trendies, with their pet Labra-do / mongrel and 7 year old speccy 4eyed Tarquinon board, like this and makes them fuck off the canals, Iām all for it! š How does the beam of someone's boat, their chosen breed of dog, and their children's eyesight, correlate with their boating ability and know-how ? In this instance, they were all wearing 'I think CRT are great' tee shirts as well! š
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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 6, 2018 12:06:22 GMT
How does the beam of someone's boat, their chosen breed of dog, and their children's eyesight, correlate with their boating ability and know-how ? In this instance, they were all wearing 'I think CRT are great' tee shirts as well! š In that case you really should make allowances, . . they're obviously deranged !
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