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Post by Telemachus on Mar 28, 2018 17:13:57 GMT
Skimmed the thread. My take. You either think it's a travesty that this man has been made homeless or you're a scumbag You take is therefore naive, foolish and judgemental.
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Post by kris on Mar 28, 2018 17:14:59 GMT
I'm not suggusting boats should get away with not being licenced, I'm suggesting that for the sake of £1k and a few phone calls an old man has had his wholly owned home, slum boat or othwise, confiscated. Had he had simple help from wherever it came he'd now be licenced and legally pushed about every 14 days like everyone else without a mooring. Instead of that his life has been destroyed. I don't care if he spent every penny he could find on cider, this needn't have hapened, someone chose to destroy his life instead of offering a tiny bit of assistance. But this won’t have happened overnight. He will have had warnings and more warnings, dragging on for months, but is probably the bloody minded type that refuses to comply with statute because he thinks he is above such petty things as the law. how do you know? Do you have the details of this case? If not your just making assumptions.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 28, 2018 17:15:50 GMT
Something which is invariably overlooked in circumstances such as this, is that whether C&RT's Section 8 powers are exercised pursuant to, or absent, a Court Order [in the form of an Injunction and Declaration] , they in truth have no authority to evict anyone from the boat they either own or are living on. The powers conferred under S.8 of the 1983 BW Act are limited to only the removal from C&RT's waterways of the offending vessel, although C&RT, as did BWB before them, unilaterally, unlawfully, and invariably extend and expand those powers to suit themselves. It's high time they were effectively challenged when next attempting to apply this procedure. In your opinion. An opinion which doesn’t seem to be shared by the courts. And guess whose opinion matters?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 17:15:54 GMT
Skimmed the thread. My take. You either think it's a travesty that this man has been made homeless or you're a scumbag You take is therefore naive, foolish and judgemental. Prick.
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Post by kris on Mar 28, 2018 17:17:21 GMT
Skimmed the thread. My take. You either think it's a travesty that this man has been made homeless or you're a scumbag You take is therefore naive, foolish and judgemental. what and your not being judgemental?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 17:18:56 GMT
I'm not suggusting boats should get away with not being licenced, I'm suggesting that for the sake of £1k and a few phone calls an old man has had his wholly owned home, slum boat or othwise, confiscated. Had he had simple help from wherever it came he'd now be licenced and legally pushed about every 14 days like everyone else without a mooring. Instead of that his life has been destroyed. I don't care if he spent every penny he could find on cider, this needn't have hapened, someone chose to destroy his life instead of offering a tiny bit of assistance. But this won’t have happened overnight. He will have had warnings and more warnings, dragging on for months, but is probably the bloody minded type that refuses to comply with statute because he thinks he is above such petty things as the law. Crikey! You just managed to avoid making assumptions there. Oh damn, maybe not. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 17:19:52 GMT
You take is therefore naive, foolish and judgemental. what and your not being judgemental? Of course he is. He's a hypothetical old prick.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 28, 2018 17:20:21 GMT
Would the HSE allow CRT to remove a boat from their waterways with the occupier on the boat? And would the occupier or boat owner be allowed to live on the boat wherever it was removed to ? It seems a bit impractical but could be quite a handy arrangement if it was water based transport. I don't think I would want to be in a boat being craned out but if its being towed on water it might be ok. I think you might be missing the point some posters are trying to make. There were things that could have been done before the S8, and yes this does need to include the 'cheap housing on the canal' but that is a very problematic issue to resolve and making people homeless will never solve it. You don’t know what was or was not done prior to the S8. Some people won’t be helped. So what is the solution in your opinion? If you don’t have a solution to offer, you are just gassing off. Just let anyone put an unlicensed uninsured boat on the canals and live there for free? If so, that is not the canal system I want. In the same way I don’t want our public parks filled up with people living in caravans. Maybe that makes me a heartless bastard, but if so this country is populated mostly by heartless bastards.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 17:21:31 GMT
I think you might be missing the point some posters are trying to make. There were things that could have been done before the S8, and yes this does need to include the 'cheap housing on the canal' but that is a very problematic issue to resolve and making people homeless will never solve it. You don’t know what was or was not done prior to the S8. Some people won’t be helped. So what is the solution in your opinion? If you don’t have a solution to offer, you are just gassing off. Just let anyone put an unlicensed uninsured boat on the canals and live there for free? If so, that is not the canal system I want. In the same way I don’t want our public parks filled up with people living in caravans. Maybe that makes me a heartless bastard, but if so this country is populated mostly by heartless bastards. Makes you a prick.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 28, 2018 17:22:51 GMT
But this won’t have happened overnight. He will have had warnings and more warnings, dragging on for months, but is probably the bloody minded type that refuses to comply with statute because he thinks he is above such petty things as the law. Crikey! You just managed to avoid making assumptions there. Oh damn, maybe not. Rog I have made no more assumptions than those who say it’s all SO UNFAIR because the sweet old man was one moment living an idyllic life of bliss quite unaware he was doing anything wrong, and the next moment was chucked into the gutter whilst his boat was crushed before his eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 17:23:15 GMT
I've mentioned it before that I have a diagnosis of Asperger's which is an autism spectrum disorder. One of the symptoms is not giving a shit about anyone else. Only by meeting in person is it possible to judge someone properly. Another symptom is missing the point and inability to see the bigger picture (this can include attempting to make up a bigger picture in the absence of an obvious one) So yes. You are bang on the money That's interesting, Andrew. I wonder if C&RT are the first recorded instance of corporate Asberger's ? It's not impossible ! I never really looked at it like that but it is possible that the top management is populated by people that don't give a shit due to their brains but I think it's more likely to be a "relentless pursuit of financial wealth" thing which is not necessarily related to autism.
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Post by kris on Mar 28, 2018 17:25:28 GMT
While nicks judgmental assumptions might be entertaining, does anybody have more details of this case?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 17:26:44 GMT
Crikey! You just managed to avoid making assumptions there. Oh damn, maybe not. Rog I have made no more assumptions than those who say it’s all SO UNFAIR because the sweet old man was one moment living an idyllic life of bliss quite unaware he was doing anything wrong, and the next moment was chucked into the gutter whilst his boat was crushed before his eyes. I reckon he was an old pole working in the UK sending money back home and by now he's back home in his house. And if he isn't then I don't pretend to give a shit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 17:27:23 GMT
That's interesting, Andrew. I wonder if C&RT are the first recorded instance of corporate Asberger's ? It's not impossible ! I never really looked at it like that but it is possible that the top management is populated by people that don't give a shit due to their brains but I think it's more likely to be a "relentless pursuit of financial wealth" thing which is not necessarily related to autism. There is no financial gain for individuals at crt when displaying this behaviour. They don't get bonuses for this shit. This is quite simply some people's mindset, mean, vindictive, vicious, nasty and arrogant .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 17:28:22 GMT
I have made no more assumptions than those who say it’s all SO UNFAIR because the sweet old man was one moment living an idyllic life of bliss quite unaware he was doing anything wrong, and the next moment was chucked into the gutter whilst his boat was crushed before his eyes. I reckon he was an old pole working in the UK sending money back home and by now he's back home in his house. And if he isn't then I don't pretend to give a shit. Oh, two pricks 😊
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