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Post by naughtyfox on May 16, 2018 10:55:54 GMT
Isn't that 'biofuel' just diesel watered down with ethanol, and a potential diesel bug soup? Oil IS a biofuel - it's made from trillions of dead animals and plants, innit? Everone here still filling up with the liquid stuff. I just heard there is ONE electric charge point for the whole of this town (Kannus) and that's in the electricity company's yard.
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Post by JohnV on May 16, 2018 10:59:57 GMT
bio fuel is made from vegetable oil, sometimes recovered and re-refined cooking oil, sometimes virgin vegetable oil. I used it in my old Astra van (which did just short of 300,000 miles) most older engines work well on it, some modern engines won't/can't use it
edit to add .... I believe Russel Newbury made a filter/pre-heater system for their engines that allows them to run on virtually any form of oil, from used lubricating oil to neat vegetable oil
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Post by kris on May 16, 2018 12:54:24 GMT
bio fuel is made from vegetable oil, sometimes recovered and re-refined cooking oil, sometimes virgin vegetable oil. I used it in my old Astra van (which did just short of 300,000 miles) most older engines work well on it, some modern engines won't/can't use it edit to add .... I believe Russel Newbury made a filter/pre-heater system for their engines that allows them to run on virtually any form of oil, from used lubricating oil to neat vegetable oil I've thought about using bio diesel, but I think you've have hit the nail on the head with the problem of running a boat on it. The need to keep it at a reasonable temperature so the oil doesn't solidify. I'd be interested In hearing more of peterboats experience with it and where he byes it from. All diesel has up to 8% (I believe) veg oil in it, hence the rise of the dreaded diesel bug on boats in the recent past. So yes the other problem with bio diesel on boats would be not leaving it standing in partially full tanks for long periods.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 16, 2018 15:58:26 GMT
So where does all this old cooking oil come from? Ours just goes own the kitchen sink with a fair dollop of Fairy washing-up liquid! Who bothers anyway, when oil is gushing out of the ground in Saudi Arabia and the North Sea? Just use proper diesel say I - why save pennies using crap fuel, and spending thousands on having the engine repaired because you were a cheapskate?
I agree with the ideals, it's just that I live in the world of reality. It is ridiculous, though, that I use 9 litres of diesel just to take 2 little kids home, a distance of 13km each way - terrible waste of natural resources, and school for them is just to keep them out of the house whilst mummy watches TV.
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Post by JohnV on May 16, 2018 18:34:07 GMT
So where does all this old cooking oil come from? Ours just goes own the kitchen sink with a fair dollop of Fairy washing-up liquid! Who bothers anyway, when oil is gushing out of the ground in Saudi Arabia and the North Sea? Just use proper diesel say I - why save pennies using crap fuel, and spending thousands on having the engine repaired because you were a cheapskate? I agree with the ideals, it's just that I live in the world of reality. It is ridiculous, though, that I use 9 litres of diesel just to take 2 little kids home, a distance of 13km each way - terrible waste of natural resources, and school for them is just to keep them out of the house whilst mummy watches TV. That's bullshit Ross. It's not crap fuel, the only reason it causes damage to engines is if you are stupid enough to use it in an engine that is not suitable. That's like saying petrol is a crap fuel because when I put it in my diesel engine it won't run properly and burns out. Your so called "proper diesel" DERV has a percentage of vegetable oil in it already.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 16, 2018 18:42:22 GMT
So where does all this old cooking oil come from? Ours just goes own the kitchen sink with a fair dollop of Fairy washing-up liquid! Who bothers anyway, when oil is gushing out of the ground in Saudi Arabia and the North Sea? Just use proper diesel say I - why save pennies using crap fuel, and spending thousands on having the engine repaired because you were a cheapskate? I agree with the ideals, it's just that I live in the world of reality. It is ridiculous, though, that I use 9 litres of diesel just to take 2 little kids home, a distance of 13km each way - terrible waste of natural resources, and school for them is just to keep them out of the house whilst mummy watches TV. That's bullshit Ross. It's not crap fuel, the only reason it causes damage to engines is if you are stupid enough to use it in an engine that is not suitable. That's like saying petrol is a crap fuel because when I put it in my diesel engine it won't run properly and burns out. Your so called "proper diesel" DERV has a percentage of vegetable oil in it already. Mostly true, except that red diesel is not DERV. All DERV is white diesel, on which the full rate of duty has been applied, DERV stands for "Diesel Engine Road Vehicle"
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Post by peterboat on May 16, 2018 18:43:10 GMT
Bio diesel is recovered veg oil that is cleaned and refined to make it into an all temperature fuel for old diesels. The plant supplies it to the refineries because it has to be added by law to diesel. The advantages are its carbonish neutral smells divine and both my boat and lucida like it. It costs me more than red diesel but a lot less than white diesel so its a balancing act for costs
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Post by JohnV on May 16, 2018 18:46:30 GMT
That's bullshit Ross. It's not crap fuel, the only reason it causes damage to engines is if you are stupid enough to use it in an engine that is not suitable. That's like saying petrol is a crap fuel because when I put it in my diesel engine it won't run properly and burns out. Your so called "proper diesel" DERV has a percentage of vegetable oil in it already. Mostly true, except that red diesel is not DERV. All DERV is white diesel, on which the full rate of duty has been applied, DERV stands for "Diesel Engine Road Vehicle" very true, but most red diesel apart from some specialised supplies is just DERV with a red dye added, so also contains a percentage of bio. ( AFAIK gas oil sold for use by seagoing boats only should be pure mineral oil)
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 18:59:22 GMT
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Post by peterboat on May 16, 2018 23:12:33 GMT
I might need one for the lucy as that is on bio as well, will sort out getting with you if thats ok?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 4:25:23 GMT
No problem Peter, I'll have a hunt around for them 🚢🔨🍻
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Post by peterboat on May 17, 2018 8:17:36 GMT
Cheers Gazza
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 9:42:25 GMT
Ran my old bmw 325 on waste oil about 6 years ago, was doing 200 miles a day for work so made sense, used to get cod liver oil free from the place i worked at, never used to bother mixing, straight in neat, this was winter also, used to take some cranking but never let me down.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 9:44:38 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on May 17, 2018 10:47:11 GMT
Doesn't all this cod liver oil and old margarine gunge up the injectors? That K&A boat is old news - been found yet?
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