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Post by kris on Jul 18, 2018 16:09:37 GMT
So Nick now the veil has been lifted from your eyes and your beginning to,realise the failings of cart ,what are you going to do,about it? Do you post your observations about lack of maintenance on analworld or do you just come on here and moan about it for instance.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 18, 2018 16:16:58 GMT
So Nick now the veil has been lifted from your eyes and your beginning to,realise the failings of cart ,what are you going to do,about it? Do you post your observations about lack of maintenance on analworld or do you just come on here and moan about it for instance. Do you consider that canalworld is somehow a better place to post than here? Yes it is “interesting” but as we said on another thread, it is regional. I see massive failing here that I don’t see in the midlands. So it isn’t country wide but a lack of interest in maintaining the navigation is a problem, on this canal at least. Lower Peak Forest was very shallow and full of crap on the bottom too. Much worse than the extremities of the BCN. I have been keeping a close eye on the Stoppages, obviously. And not being one to preserve my poo in aspic I was planning where to pump out. There is a stoppage about the pumpout at Slaithwaite date MAY 2017 saying it should be repaired in a couple of weeks. That was over a year ago! Anyway a phone call to CRT (about my 4th this trip) revealed it had been repaired a year ago but nobody thought to remove the stoppage notice! Careless! But then again no other boater bothered to report the discrepancy.
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Post by kris on Jul 18, 2018 16:23:20 GMT
So Nick now the veil has been lifted from your eyes and your beginning to,realise the failings of cart ,what are you going to do,about it? Do you post your observations about lack of maintenance on analworld or do you just come on here and moan about it for instance. Do you consider that canalworld is somehow a better place to post than here? Not better no. But there are a lot of people there with their heads still,stuck in the sand refusing to accept the reality of the situation with cart. You remember like you used to be, so if one of the biggest apologists for cart (yourself obviously.) started posting about what is actually happening then a few others might wake up and start making waves. Which might actually achieve something positive.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 18, 2018 16:34:46 GMT
So Nick now the veil has been lifted from your eyes and your beginning to,realise the failings of cart ,what are you going to do,about it? Do you post your observations about lack of maintenance on analworld or do you just come on here and moan about it for instance. . . . . . . I see massive failing here that I don’t see in the midlands . . . . . . Remind those of us without your powers of recall, . . . just where it was that you had those problems with a lot of rocks and stones in the bottom of a shallow pound back sometime earlier this year ?
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 18, 2018 16:41:31 GMT
Do you consider that canalworld is somehow a better place to post than here? Not better no. But there are a lot of people there with their heads still,stuck in the sand refusing to accept the reality of the situation with cart. You remember like you used to be, so if one of the biggest apologists for cart (yourself obviously.) started posting about what is actually happening then a few others might wake up and start making waves. Which might actually achieve something positive. Well how about this for a start. www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/97354-crt-are-doing-a-better-job-than-bw-did/&do=findComment&comment=2173783I post as I find. In my own area I find CRT run/maintain the system well. The regional manager is receptive to comment, suggestions and ideas. But having come up here I can see things are different. Therefore it is a regional problem, not necessarily an institutional one. In the past I don’t think I have been an “apologist for CRT” on matters of system maintenance, I only had a view of what it was like on my own patch, just as you do (different patch, of course). Where I have supported CRT and where we have disagreed is to approve of their attempts to stop the system becoming a linear housing estate by challenging pisstakers and encouraging those who said they were going to CC in order to avoid having to pay for a mooring, to actually CC. Of course there is no chance of the Hud narrow becoming a linear housing estate since for 99% of it including most lock landings, you can’t get within jumping distance of the side!
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 18, 2018 16:43:26 GMT
. . . . . . I see massive failing here that I don’t see in the midlands . . . . . . Remind those of us without your powers of recall, . . . just where it was that you had those problems with a lot of rocks and stones in the bottom of a shallow pound back sometime earlier this year ? Yes that was definitely a massive cockup and I was the first to call it out, but at least they admitted it and swore they would fix it. Which finally, they have (more or less). However it was a stretch of perhaps 20 yards, not an entire canal like the Hud Narrow!
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Post by kris on Jul 18, 2018 16:49:07 GMT
Not better no. But there are a lot of people there with their heads still,stuck in the sand refusing to accept the reality of the situation with cart. You remember like you used to be, so if one of the biggest apologists for cart (yourself obviously.) started posting about what is actually happening then a few others might wake up and start making waves. Which might actually achieve something positive. Well how about this for a start. www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/97354-crt-are-doing-a-better-job-than-bw-did/&do=findComment&comment=2173783Yes that's a start but your wording on analworld is more subdued I'd say. As for cart starting a campaign against cc'ers this was a distraction technique. Making a "problem" out of a situation that is minor compared to the lack of maintenance. It was a convient divide and conquer strategy tha people like you fell for.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 18, 2018 16:54:09 GMT
No I think you are failing to see the big picture. On the waterways you frequent clearly it isn’t / wasn’t an issue. But darn sarf it definitely is a big issue, and a massive one in London. I dislike going south of MiltonKeynes because you just have to cruise past wall to wall boats that only ever move the minimum, and when you do encounter moving boats they typically have no idea what they are doing cause they didn’t buy a boat to cruise in it, they bought it to live on and having to move it is just an annoying chore
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Post by kris on Jul 18, 2018 16:56:57 GMT
No I think you are failing to see the big picture. On the waterways you frequent clearly it isn’t / wasn’t an issue. But darn sarf it definitely is a big issue, and a massive one in London. I dislike going south of MiltonKeynes because you just have to cruise past wall to wall boats that only ever move the minimum, and when you do encounter moving boats they typically have no idea what they are doing cause they didn’t buy a boat to cruise in it, they bought it to live on and having to move it is just an annoying chore If cart had wanted to they could have sorted the issues in london 5 years ago. But they didn't, it helps them to have distractions from the real issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 17:06:10 GMT
Perhaps Nick's explanation does explain why the loudest critics of C&RT's performance are live aboard boaters without a home mooring.
They have to move around the system, pushed by eager enforcement, so they get to see what maintenance standards are like everywhere, rather than parochialy like Nick.
I am increasingly getting annoyed over an issue jenlyn raised many moons ago relating to the GU, but I am now seeing around the system.
Limited visitor moorings in towns (24, 48, 72 hours) are cut back and dredged to a depth where mooring is easy.
Many lengths of unrestricted canal are no longer cut to the edge, and aren't deep enough to get in even if you're prepared to hack away vegetation oneself.
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Post by kris on Jul 18, 2018 17:18:02 GMT
Perhaps Nick's explanation does explain why the loudest critics of C&RT's performance are live aboard boaters without a home mooring. They have to move around the system, pushed by eager enforcement, so they get to see what maintenance standards are like everywhere, rather than parochialy like Nick. I am increasingly getting annoyed over an issue jenlyn raised many moons ago relating to the GU, but I am now seeing around the system. Limited visitor moorings in towns (24, 48, 72 hours) are cut back and dredged to a depth where mooring is easy. Many lengths of unrestricted canal are no longer cut to the edge, and aren't deep enough to get in even if you're prepared to hack away vegetation oneself. Rog This is a deliberate policy to limit the number of Wild mooring sites. Which I agree is very annoying. Cart should be made to install a replacement mooring for everyone they make time limited.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 17:29:50 GMT
I carry clippers and will happily cut a mooring space.
But I can do little about the depth issue.
It's becoming difficult not to see this as a deliberate policy on behalf of C&RT, however viewing their management style in other areas, it's impossible to rule out simple incompetence.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 18, 2018 17:47:38 GMT
I carry clippers and will happily cut a mooring space. But I can do little about the depth issue. It's becoming difficult not to see this as a deliberate policy on behalf of C&RT, however viewing their management style in other areas, it's impossible to rule out simple incompetence. Rog Yes I’d go for the incompetence version. What would be the motive or gain for the other explanation? If you say “spite” then I call you a conspiracy theorist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 17:57:12 GMT
It is entirely possible that C&RT wish to see all boats on home moorings, preferably in marinas, and continuous cruisers as an anomaly that they eradicate by this type of policy.
I actually tend towards the incompetence argument at present, but there was a time not so long ago I wouldn't even have considered the former as remotely possible.
I have seen good work being done by C&RT this year (dredging and rebuilding banks on the northern end of the T&M for example) but the management and prioritising of spending overall shakes ones trust.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 17:58:36 GMT
Reading Nick's trials and tribulations all I can say is - Thank fuck C&RT haven't got their hands on my patch, the last thing we need is a load of new signs and a clueless bunch of Muppets in charge of a navigation they know nothing about. Much like you lot have ended up with That's without considering the alarm bells Kris, Tony, Nigel, Alan et al have been sounding for some time.
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