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Post by PaulG2 on Jul 11, 2016 19:22:03 GMT
The media here is reporting that your new PM has said it is full speed ahead with Brexit - no new referendum and no dilly dallying on invoking Article 50. So what's the problem if she was for or against Brexit before the vote? She's now going to carry out the will of the majority. Isn't that what's important, or am I missing something?
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Post by JohnV on Jul 11, 2016 19:36:24 GMT
The media here is reporting that your new PM has said it is full speed ahead with Brexit - no new referendum and no dilly dallying on invoking Article 50. So what's the problem if she was for or against Brexit before the vote? She's now going to carry out the will of the majority. Isn't that what's important, or am I missing something? No I reckon you are spot on. That's what should happen. She is a professional politician and as such will carry out what has been voted for democratically. As I said in my post to Iconoclast (possibly not very clearly) what pissed me off about Cameron, he should have sucked it up and got on with the job, for God's sake that's what he was being paid for. |
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Post by Higgs on Jul 11, 2016 19:42:06 GMT
At the moment, Remain are still trying to deny democracy and the result of the referendum. Criticising one specific type of democracy isn't denying democracy it is democracy It might be a good idea to question the basis on which we elect our governments in the first place, but we tend not to, even though a government doesn't need the majority of the electorate and may only represent a minority. I voted labour. No chance of a referendum. Work that one out. I couldn't vote Conservative because they promote the kind of individualism that creates greed. New Labour unfortunately haven't been much better. Party politic and the Parliamentary democracy are a law unto themselves once they are in government, until the next election. The Referendum goes beyond all that. Parliamentary democracy handing over its democratic power to the people. Now everything is back in the hands of the MP's until the elections. Conservatives are still the government in power. They need a leader, hopefully the strongest. They followed through on one of their manifesto promises, it is for conservative voters to maybe regret, especially those that wanted to remain. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 11, 2016 19:49:35 GMT
I agree an exit supporting Prime Minister would be preferable but a capable person is more important ........ would you really rather have Boris ? Well, I've never voted Conservative in my life, so perhaps it's not for me to say. However, if you pushed me then yes, I would prefer Boris Johnson. At least he comes across as a normal, who neither understands nor wants to understand politik-speak. I suppose that was why he declined to enter the leadership race. If I had a completely free choice as to who would make the best Prime Minister, then I would say "me".  |
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Post by Higgs on Jul 11, 2016 19:51:47 GMT
The media here is reporting that your new PM has said it is full speed ahead with Brexit - no new referendum and no dilly dallying on invoking Article 50. So what's the problem if she was for or against Brexit before the vote? She's now going to carry out the will of the majority. Isn't that what's important, or am I missing something? You know politicians as well as we do. Believe it when you see it. |
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Post by ammodels on Jul 11, 2016 19:53:42 GMT
I agree an exit supporting Prime Minister would be preferable but a capable person is more important ........ would you really rather have Boris ? Well, I've never voted Conservative in my life, so perhaps it's not for me to say. However, if you pushed me then yes, I would prefer Boris Johnson. At least he comes across as a normal, who neither understands nor wants to understand politik-speak. I suppose that was why he declined to enter the leadership race. If I had a completely free choice as to who would make the best Prime Minister, then I would say "me". BoJo was the worst possible outcome, a scarily adept politician who has pulled the wool over so many eyes. A dangerous man. |
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Post by ammodels on Jul 11, 2016 20:12:24 GMT
Well, I've never voted Conservative in my life, so perhaps it's not for me to say. However, if you pushed me then yes, I would prefer Boris Johnson. At least he comes across as a normal, who neither understands nor wants to understand politik-speak. I suppose that was why he declined to enter the leadership race. If I had a completely free choice as to who would make the best Prime Minister, then I would say "me". My son happened to be around when Boris made one his bumbling errors, he spoke to the camera men fliming asking him why it had been dressed to make him look so clutzy, and they said "yeah, mate, nothing to do with us, he's carefully managed to look the way he does..." his amiable goofiness hides a very sharp and highly focused brain. HIs appearance post Brexit was a big giveaway, in fact it started with the campaign, his hair got a little tidier. His voice a little deeper, less smiling and goofing around and a more statesman like behaviour. The hair especially got tidier and tidier right until he informed us he wasnt standing for leader. In the days since it has become more like the old Boris. Hopefully hes not fooling anyone. |
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Post by Saltysplash on Jul 11, 2016 22:29:42 GMT
I wouldve prefered Boris but Gove ended that.
I love the way remainers keep harping on that all the Brexit lot have done a runner.
No they havent, At what point did anyone expect Farage or Ukip to be able to have any control over what goes on in Parliament? so for him to resign as leader makes not a jot of difference in the Brexit run up.
Cameron shouldve remained as PM and started the ball rolling, Instead he jumped before he was pushed but I expected him to be pushed even if remain had won.
Boris would have stood for leader untill Gove did the dirty on him and by doing so also ruined his own chances in the leadership race.
Leadsom I fully believe would have carried on with the leadership race had she had a bigger share of the 2nd vote, she however has had the foresight to realise that if she had carried on with the race and been elected by the rank and file membership, then she would have been in exactly the same position that Jezza Corbyn now finds himself and that would not have been good for the party nor for any Brexit negotiations.
In standing down, she has reunited the MPs who now, (although I hate her) have a fairly strong leader in command who has also declared that Brexit is Brexit and knowing her feelings on immigration should (hopefully) go into the negotiaions without choosing a Norway style deal with the EU.
It matters not one jot that she hasnt been elected by the people, In a general election we dont vote for a Prime Minister, we vote for a party and the Consevatives won the last election with a majority.
There is no constitutional precedent for going to the country. We didnt in the 70's when Callaghan took over from Wilson, When Major took over from Thatcher and when Brown took over from Blair.
What this country needed over the last few weeks has been a Government again as at the moment we are like a drifting Marie Celeste with Cameron being PM only in name. At least now, or as from Wednesday things can start getting back on track again and we can move forward and get confidence back in the country. Footsie 250 already up 500 following May being declared leader.
Those of us who votedLeave will be watching her very carefully to see who will be in the new cabinet and above all, what team will she surround herself with for the Brexit negotiations.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 12, 2016 6:45:33 GMT
I gave you a thumbs up for the post as a whole .......... but I disagree about Boris, I think he can be erratic and lacks the doggedness which is going to be needed negotiating with EU.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 12, 2016 8:22:07 GMT
Andrea Leadsom whispers in mjg's ear:
"I've got the body of a 16-year old girl."
Foxy shouts: "Well, you'd better give it back before you get it all wrinkled!!"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 8:52:00 GMT
I wouldve prefered Boris but Gove ended that. I love the way remainers keep harping on that all the Brexit lot have done a runner. No they havent, At what point did anyone expect Farage or Ukip to be able to have any control over what goes on in Parliament? so for him to resign as leader makes not a jot of difference in the Brexit run up. Cameron shouldve remained as PM and started the ball rolling, Instead he jumped before he was pushed but I expected him to be pushed even if remain had won. Boris would have stood for leader untill Gove did the dirty on him and by doing so also ruined his own chances in the leadership race. Leadsom I fully believe would have carried on with the leadership race had she had a bigger share of the 2nd vote, she however has had the foresight to realise that if she had carried on with the race and been elected by the rank and file membership, then she would have been in exactly the same position that Jezza Corbyn now finds himself and that would not have been good for the party nor for any Brexit negotiations. In standing down, she has reunited the MPs who now, (although I hate her) have a fairly strong leader in command who has also declared that Brexit is Brexit and knowing her feelings on immigration should (hopefully) go into the negotiaions without choosing a Norway style deal with the EU. It matters not one jot that she hasnt been elected by the people, In a general election we dont vote for a Prime Minister, we vote for a party and the Consevatives won the last election with a majority. There is no constitutional precedent for going to the country. We didnt in the 70's when Callaghan took over from Wilson, When Major took over from Thatcher and when Brown took over from Blair. What this country needed over the last few weeks has been a Government again as at the moment we are like a drifting Marie Celeste with Cameron being PM only in name. At least now, or as from Wednesday things can start getting back on track again and we can move forward and get confidence back in the country. Footsie 250 already up 500 following May being declared leader. Those of us who votedLeave will be watching her very carefully to see who will be in the new cabinet and above all, what team will she surround herself with for the Brexit negotiations. Just greenied your posts on the brexit thread cwdf. They were spot on. I doubt anyone on there will have either the intelligence or knowledge to counter what you stated. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 9:21:30 GMT
Andrea Leadsom whispers in mjg's ear: "I've got the body of a 16-year old girl." Well then I would have to disappoint her. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 12, 2016 15:23:43 GMT
I heard on the Radio today that Cameron had achieved great things in the six years he had been leading the country. Yes, he amused us with the piggy-fiddling, but can anyone think of anything else?
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Post by ammodels on Jul 12, 2016 15:43:43 GMT
I heard on the Radio today that Cameron had achieved great things in the six years he had been leading the country. Yes, he amused us with the piggy-fiddling, but can anyone think of anything else? Well he did the erm.... and there was .... Of course we shouldnt forget that time he..... No, got nothing. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 12, 2016 15:52:42 GMT
I heard on the Radio today that Cameron had achieved great things in the six years he had been leading the country. Yes, he amused us with the piggy-fiddling, but can anyone think of anything else? In fairness he did have a well shaggable Missus. |
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